Promiscuous Fishing

[The Grebe]

When a lake starts to freeze out and is opened for promiscuous fishing and you here about people taking all kinds of fish, aren't they still subject to limit restrictions?

[Flaco651]

No limit restrictions once the lake is opened to Liberalized fishing. Lakes are usually only open to liberalized fishing for a week or so. Check out this link for the current list of lakes opened to promiscuous fishing and the rules that go along with it.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fishing/liberalized/index.html

[mtbucket]

Not quite warm enough for promiscuous fishing in MN yet.

[ClownColor]

So if you had 20 walleyes in the freezer you could say they came from one of those lakes?

[Sonicrunch]

So if you had 20 walleyes in the freezer you could say they came from one of those lakes?

you better have some evidence of that.

[bak2MN]

Just asking but how or what evidence would/could you have to prove this?

[The Grebe]

CC, this is what I was gonna eventually get to....if a person had all those fish in their possession, how could they prove they got em from an open, froze out lake...and would that even matter?

[jentz]

Our DNR has DNA capibilites.They check the DNA then match it to a certain lake every lake has a different print.Course if they confiscate your freezer full,They say you will get it back if its legal after testing.I would then think I'd have questions of how were the fish kept frozen,Did they thaw etc.I had a couple fish taken for testing 2 years ago.The fish's meat was blueish in color I contacted the DNR they tested then asked if I wanted them back.I said no I dont know how you fellows treated them!!

[aanderud]

So if you had 20 walleyes in the freezer you could say they came from one of those lakes?

[kfk]

Please explain how every lake has a different DNA print Jentz.

[CANOPY SAM]

My real struggle is with the word "promiscuous" as it is, or might be, applied to fishing?!?!

How can anyone be so unscrupulous as to apply the word promiscuous to fishing?

I was promiscuous in high school! I've never been promiscuous with any species of fish! Well, at least as much as I can recall....

I was wondering about the legality of daily and possession limits as well. Recently saw a news story out of west central Minnesota where a few guys were literally netting crappies that would come to the surface of a large whole in the ice. I'd wager they ended up with a freezer full of crappie fillets.

[raymondk]

Better to have them in somebodies freezer then on shore rotting after the ice melts.Most of the time when the dnr opens the lakes up it usely is to late .

[Chad Holst]

Canopy Sam, I was thinking the same thing. Promiscuous fishing? Yikers. ive had too many to drink before, but never that many.

I actually looked up the word before i ranted here to make sure i didnt miss some other meaning of the word in grade school. Nope, it has 1 basic meaning and thats about it. The synonyms dont even match up with anything relivent to the topic of "open" or "libralized" fishing: 1. unchaste. 2. hodgepodge, confused, mixed, jumbled. 3. careless.

I dont see anything confusing, jumbled or careless about the open fishing rule on lakes. The opposite is in fact true.

DNR: "Sir, thats an aweful lot of fish you have there, what are your intentions with these fish"

Fisherman: "I'm just following the open fishing regulations and being promiscuous"

I can only imagine what some wives think we are doing when we tell them we are out on the ice so much. For all our sakes lets leave the word promisquity out of it, PLEASE.

[jentz]

Promiscuous fishing Probably started from someole timer,I knew a few older guys who'd ask for profane and Finally realized it was propane they wanted.Personally I like the tag liberalized fishing.

Someone above mentioned me explain>Please explain how every lake has a different DNA print Jentz.Go to the DNR look it up,they strain muskey alot and can tell what water they come from.A few DNR busts they DNA tested confiscated fish a claim was they were from Wisc.

Start googleing you will find many sources

[bobbymalone]

Go to the DNR look it up,they strain muskey alot and can tell what water they come from.A few DNR busts they DNA tested confiscated fish a claim was they were from Wisc.

I think that works better in the case of musky, since all the stocked muskies in the state came from one of two different lakes.

I don't think that works as well for other fish species.

[jentz]

Heres another quick one,Now if you really want to know the facts,do a search read I'm done doing what anyone can do.It gets deeper the more one searches

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/volunteer/julaug09/fish_science.html

[bobbymalone]

Heres another quick one,Now if you really want to know the facts,do a search read I'm done doing what anyone can do.It gets deeper the more one searches

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/volunteer/julaug09/fish_science.html

I actually reviewed a high school kids state science fair project on crappie hybridization that was done in conjunction with Miller's fisheries lab at the UMN a few years ago and I have written several peer reviewed research articles and reviews regarding the use of DNA fingerprinting in ecology studies.

That story doesn't say anything about this lake fingerprint thing you are talking about. If you think I can do some DNA test on a crappie and tell you what lake it came from you are incorrect. I think it may be somewhat possible to narrow it down to a region, but I think it would take a gajillion samples to build a large enough database for comparison to make that a reality.

I'm interested in some background on why the DNR wanted to test your fish and what came back on that.

[Pat K]

Canopy Sam, I was thinking the same thing. Promiscuous fishing? Yikers. ive had too many to drink before, but never that many.

I actually looked up the word before i ranted here to make sure i didnt miss some other meaning of the word in grade school. Nope, it has 1 basic meaning and thats about it. The synonyms dont even match up with anything relivent to the topic of "open" or "libralized" fishing: 1. unchaste. 2. hodgepodge, confused, mixed, jumbled. 3. careless.

I dont see anything confusing, jumbled or careless about the open fishing rule on lakes. The opposite is in fact true.

DNR: "Sir, thats an aweful lot of fish you have there, what are your intentions with these fish"

Fisherman: "I'm just following the open fishing regulations and being promiscuous"

I can only imagine what some wives think we are doing when we tell them we are out on the ice so much. For all our sakes lets leave the word promisquity out of it, PLEASE.

My Websters dictionary circa 1984 has this definition.

2: Not restricted or without limits.

[jentz]

BobbyMalone with your expretice,You may have just gone to the source for a factual answer.No peer reviews.I find it strange you know so much about this but call me wrong.Heres my question to the DNR followed by THEIR answer

Ques:Can the DNR trace a fish back to its water body of origin? say fish confiscated from over limit,Can the DNR trace them back to what lake they came from?

I do believe I read of this traceing back when RedLake had the crappie explosion.Thanks

ANS:RE: Fish tracking ---- Will you please respond to this question ---- Please copy Phil and I on your answer... Thanks.

Inboxx

Miller, Loren (DNR) [email protected]

5:13 PM (15 hours ago)

to me, Phil, Linda

The short answer is yes, sometimes.

The long answer is it is possible to trace fish to their source population for some species in some situations. Populations in isolated lakes or rivers often have distinctive “genetic profiles” and a fish can be tested to see if it is a likely match to a population’s profile. Depending on the species and location, however, many populations across a wide region may be too similar to distinguish.

It’s also difficult because we need a fairly large sample of each population that might be a source to establish its profile. It is easier to answer whether a fish came from Lake A or Lake B than to answer which lake in Minnesota did if come from.

Another way of trying to find a fish’s origin is to compare chemical signatures in the fish to that of lake water. I don’t know the details of this method but it has the same issues of needing profiles for possible source lakes.

Loren Miller

Fisheries Research Scientist

135 Skok Hall

2003 Upper Buford Circle

St. Paul MN 55108

[email protected]

612-624-3019

The short answer is YES? I had to include the DNR's address in this.Otherwise I would be called out again I watch some posters here in this forum many just to doubting and The I know mind set!

Like I said you should look it up when calling anyone wrong,However you just procede with a poor mindset rather than prove.

[JP Z]

That's pretty Cool Jentz. A regular CSI St. Paul going on.......

[bobbymalone]

Dude, that's basically the same thing that I said.

It gets more complicated for things like stocked walleye. Even in lakes where there is natural reproduction, I doubt there has been enough evolutionary time for the stocked population to really diverge from the parent population in whatever lake they originated from. It's even worse for lakes that are basically put and take. It's not like genetics magically change when fish get stocked into a lake. I bet most walleye caught around the metro are genetically indistinguishable from cut foot walleyes or one of the few other lakes that serve as the source for walleye milking.

[Hawg]

DNR just told me they ask you to mark the date, lake, and time on each package. There is no 100% answer. But yes you can have extra limits in your freezer. It becomes a judgment call then, no one knows how that could turn out.

[jentz]

BM all you said is what I posted was wrong?? No where near what you said.Sure save face you must be one of the types that keep me from this site.all about yourself and the intelligence you want to have.I'm gone!

[bobbymalone]

BM all you said is what I posted was wrong?? No where near what you said.Sure save face you must be one of the types that keep me from this site.all about yourself and the intelligence you want to have.I'm gone!

Dude you said they can do a genetic test and tell what lake a fish came from.

The email basically says not really unless A. the lake's fish population is isolated and B. they have a large sample of the population from said lake. How many lakes do think they have large sample sets on? There are 11,000 something lakes in this state times what, say 5 different species of fish.

Not my problem if you don't get it. See ya!

[Hawg]

Dude, is such an endearing name.