CANOPY SAM Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 I've seen these advertised recently and frankly, I'm struggling to get my mind around the point (no pun intended)? I can't help but ask, if I need to have the knockdown power of a bullet for whatever game I'm hunting, why wouldn't I simply use a gun to begin with? And if I can't use a gun, cause it's not an open firearm season, then is it still okay to use a projectile that's essentially a bullet? I'd also have to wonder how legal these might be in many situations? I mean, how do explain the bullet hole and powder burns in the entry wound of the animal I just harvested with my bow and arrow? Please explain what I'm missing here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paceman Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Never heard of them but I will try to look them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skee0025 Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 They are called bowmag arrow heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheetah Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Stupid gimmick if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JeffB Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Another vote for stupid. If your arrow deflects off a branch who knows what dirrection the bullet goes. I'm guessing not legal for game. And expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonBo Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 There was a thread started on this a while ago:http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubb...th_#Post3025422They actually are legal in some states and are used mostly for hogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANOPY SAM Posted March 14, 2013 Author Share Posted March 14, 2013 Yea. That's what they show them being used on in the commercial, but again, if you need the knockdown power of a bullet, why not just use a gun in the first place? More power, more accuracy at a greater range.Don't get me wrong here. I think shooting game with a bow and arrow is a great way to hunt. I'm just struggling to see the value here.Someone had to put a fair amount of $$$ into research and development, production and marketing of this idea, and I just don't see it flying. I'd think at some point somebody would have said, "Hey, ya' know what, I don't think this is too good an idea!" I just don't see a reasonable application.Sorry if this one was brought up before. I looked back in the Archery thread, but not very far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrklean Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 never see those legal up here that for sure and for a good reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeguy 54 Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I wish somebody would invent a riffle that would shoot my arrows!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheetah Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 I wish somebody would invent a riffle that would shoot my arrows!.... You mean a crossbow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonBo Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 Good one Cheetah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeguy 54 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 lol, no a rifle... kinda like black powder but shove a 2219 shaft down the barrel. a crossbow has zero resemblance to a rifle cept the trigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbymalone Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 i wonder how much knockdown power is lost.Doesn't the bullet need compression in the barrel?I know from an not very bright friend, that if you throw a shotgun shell in a fire and it cooks off, the shot stays and the shell flies. don't try at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeguy 54 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 just design the knock on the arrow to be a plastic 50cal ball. problem solved. Smoking arrows, a brand new season in MN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANOPY SAM Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'm telling you guys, any design team, or ballistics engineer worth his salt would've taken one look at this thing and said, "Big expense, bad idea". "Where and why would you EVER use this?" Good question Bobby. Without lateral support to the bullet casing one would have to even wonder about shrapnel upon impact? Does the arrow sustain any damage? As was also mentioned about a shotgun shell in the fire...does the arrow get launched backward upon report of said shell/bullet? The answer to the above questions would almost certainly have to be, No, No, and No, or this idea would've tanked almost immediately. Might be kinda fun to let one of these fly at the range though, unannounced to everyone else there! I'm gonna take the woodchuck on the left....thump...BOOOM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor_guy Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 The laws of physics are clear: "for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction" If you are sending a bullet in one direction, there needs to be an equal force going in the opposite. My guess... the arrow shaft has to come back the way it came. More than likely deformed or damaged. The bullet on the other hand, can not have much umph. Reason being there is nothing for the bullet to act against, Like a soulder or the heavy weight of a gun. Without that presure having something to act against, the bullet will not have much directional force. Bad Bad Idea.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor_guy Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 lol, no a rifle... kinda like black powder but shove a 2219 shaft down the barrel. a crossbow has zero resemblance to a rifle cept the trigger. search Airrow Rimfire.... They are out there. They use a .22 blank firing ruger 10/22 to fire arrow shafts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbymalone Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Reason being there is nothing for the bullet to act against, Like a soulder or the heavy weight of a gun. i think it has more to do with the exploding gases having no where to go but behind the bullet, pushing it down the barrel. In a gun, outside of the bit of gas that leaks out of the breech, all that exploding powder is concentrated behind that bullet until leaves the barrel. in the arrow thing, once the bullet leaves the casing that exploding powder and gases aren't concentrated. I think if you compared penetration in ballistics gel, you'd see a big difference. I'd like to see it.on a side note, when I was a kid, we used to unscrew the field tips off arrows and stick a bottle rocket in the end. Then you'd draw back the old long bow, point it at the sky, and have a friend light the bottle rocket. Those things would be ionospheric before they popped. Oh man, I miss fireworks legal states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear55 Posted March 24, 2013 Share Posted March 24, 2013 This much is clear, someone with too much money and time on their hand dreamed up this very bad idea. Not that I woulnd't try it once or twice but still bad bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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