New retractable roof stadium in Arden Hills

[PurpleFloyd]

I have had what is IMHO a great stadium plan but so far I haven't gotten my legislator to sponsor it.

First, it would only have 10,000 seats so it is pretty much guaranteed to sell out. Next, there would be a video slot console attached to the back of every seat so when the kick a$$ offense is on the field, the fans have something to both raise revenue for the team but also entertain themselves.The rest of the stadium would be filled with club seats and sky boxes to give the vikings the revenue they need to pay their bills.

Oh yeah- And NO roof.

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Originally Posted By: DR_FISH

Why can't the Zigs take out a loan and pay for it them selves?

That is the rub. On one hand the NFL stadium supporters paint them as a revenue generating machine that the state would be stupid to not participate in while on the other hand there is no doubt that with the way the owners grab every dime they can get their hands on, if there was that much revenue potential they would fight tooth and nail to build them by themselves and keep every dime.

The NFL is an interesting study where the owners are million and billionaire capitalists who are running a socialist business where revenue is shared and the public is responsible for subsidizing their monopoly business.

[Steve Foss]

The NFL is an interesting study where the owners are million and billionaire capitalists who are running a socialist business where revenue is shared and the public is responsible for subsidizing their monopoly business.

The truth in that made me smile a BIG smile. Millionaires/billionaires taking public handouts to become richer. I mean, who knew? And we thought it was just the poor people on the public dole.

[Shack]

Name one stadiums that have failed to have the initial investment recouped and turn a preofit over the time it was contracted to house an NFL team with an NFL team with a market share similar to the MN Vikes? NAME ONE! Plus they pay a lease payment, yada, yada! LOOK IT UP PLEASE!

Personally I am done with this topic because those who are against this stadium refuse to use fact or logic and require others to look up the stats and facts in everyone of these threads. Then just emotion and the straw-man theory of using tax funds for saving the world instead. Then in the end just move on when you get "deep" and show maybe the stadium is actually a good idea that will fund programs like the ones the stadium money is "supposed" to be used for. You guys have no clue even where Ziggy ranks on the Forbes NFL list of league fran owners, plus a ton more you have missed. To some the mention of using tax money for ANYTHING sparks a direct default to it be a bad thing. The skies are blue and grass is green Shangri-La where tax money is spent of things like fighting cancer and global warming. I know. I have been their, but with this topic not going back and no one is going to change my mind.

Yes, you are not rich and are bitter. WE GET IT! I think there are some feral cats in Wis. that may need the stadium haters services. Just an FYI! Tax money being spent and all!

[LMITOUT]

Still waiting to hear what is wrong with the Metrodome.

The problem with Minnesotans is they don't know the difference between "want" and "need"...and that ignorance leads us to a $5 Billion debt.

[Scott K]

Still waiting to hear what is wrong with the Metrodome.

The problem with Minnesotans is they don't know the difference between "want" and "need"...and that ignorance leads us to a $5 Billion debt.

While I do agree with you, that there is no reason they cant continue to play in the Dome, but I do see their point they Want a new stadium to play in. I think they could renovate the dome, and make it playable for another 20 years or so, for 1/3 the cost. But in the end, they will get their way, you know it, I know it, and pretty much everyone knows it. The Vikings will have a new stadium to play in within the next few years, and there isnt anything you or I can do about it. So suck it up, and buy season tickets to the new stadium and enjoy the Vikings in their new home

[PurpleFloyd]

Name one stadiums that have failed to have the initial investment recouped and turn a preofit over the time it was contracted to house an NFL team with an NFL team with a market share similar to the MN Vikes? NAME ONE!

[Shack]

LIMIT just buy a ticket and go. Easier seen and experienced than written out. That is another problem. Easy to not know if you do not know. I am down with using the one existing wall option, but it was shutdown and came up as fluff because last I heard it would be spending close to the same amount and still not pull enough of the space and space for needed infrastructure that is required. Gone with the wind because I love going downtown to see our Pro sports when I can.

NO! That shows how cheap we are as a state because we want the state to do this that and the other thing for us, YET not have to pay in any taxes. Scream tax hike and yet defend spending for frivolous things that have not timeline for repayment.

Yep perfect point LIMIT. The $5 Billion debt was spent on things that most likely have no return tagged on them other than maybe infrastructure being updated. My kids are being taught by the same teachers that were teaching their current grade from 10 years back when I first started to get to know them and being taught out of the same class rooms. IMO doing very well with some oversight and watchful eyes from mom and dad. That costs me my money, plus I pay my state taxes to boot. I do not expect my state to make me a couple kids who are going to Harvard or Yale. Maybe the decline in the US educational stats over the years might reflect the mindset of parenting of our USofA born children? NOOOO! Never! Because we are always right and the Government is supposed to pay and take care of all this. Well, I guess the do not (rolls eyes) or not enough for some. Yet! Some of those challenge for less government, yet cry government need to be more????

NEWS FLASH! All you alls feet stink just as much as the guy next to you. We are in this basket together even if you use "hindsight and after the fact" to make ones self feel richeous. That is your thing and what ever gets you through the night.

So when do we see the return of deficit paid back with the $5 billion(+) that was spent? What is the date? What was the amount of the the other funds that were ponied up by the private sectors involved?

So we should be in good shape because we covered all the "need" with the $5 billion then? Right?

Like I have said. Minnesota and Minnesotans biggest problem, besides being cheap which always costs us more, is procrastination and the see no evil, hear to evil mentality. All is perfect huh? How much less would this thing that is going to happen cost us if built 5 or 10 years ago?

For more answers to your questions, please check out:

http://www.savethevikes.org/2009/11/14/the-vikings-fan-stadium-defensive-and-offensive-playbook/

This is a starting point. I know I am going to start digging up, again< all this stuff.

[Shack]

PF just as the state does or should do everything for you, I will go get them. No back rub though. You can take that up with the state directly.

[A R Johnson]

And the topic goes on and on.

[PierBridge]

The Metrodome is fine if you're not the one going to the games. It's one of the worst multi=sport venues ever built. Remodeling makes no sense whatsoever from a finacial standpoint if you follow pro sports and how it works.

I'm all for the 2 cent tax/fee on drinks to pay for a new house as I was for the food/beverage tax that helped build the Metrodome in the 1st place.....thought was the end of world too eh guys?

Go Shack!...

[PurpleFloyd]

PF just as the state does or should do everything for you, I will go get them. No back rub though. You can take that up with the state directly.

Funny guy.

I am not afraid to go out and get data to support my side. No need for me to ask for help from anyone to make my point.

Feel free to take the initiative to provide your own data to support your own position.

Looking forward to reading it.

[Shack]

I figure why rewrite what has been written ten times over. Here a couple recent threads that should enlighten those in the dark:

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2359690/1

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2325496/1

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2449751/Metrodone_is_Toast#Post2449751

[PurpleFloyd]

I figure why rewrite what has been written ten times over. Here a couple recent threads that should enlighten those in the dark:

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2359690/1

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2325496/1

http://www.hotspotoutdoors.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2449751/Metrodone_is_Toast#Post2449751

OK, I read them and posted in them but there was not one single post in any of them that outlined projected O&M costs, who was responsible for paying them and not one single projected P&L.

Anyone can pull contribution numbers out of thin air but until they are compared to the operating costs they mean exactly squat.

[LMITOUT]

Like I have said. Minnesota and Minnesotans biggest problem, besides being cheap which always costs us more,

Being cheap doesn't put us in a $5B hole.

[Shack]

LOL more to come.

Wise cheapness can save and is good. Frugal, holding out for a cheaper deal and the my way or the highway cheapness costs more in the end. Kind of like MN being the home of people who will spend the difference they save driving around to find the cheapest price on a gallon of gas. Just to prove they bought gas cheaper.

[LMITOUT]

A sticky post on the new stadium? Is that really necessary?

Good grief.

[Shack]

*Mpls is sweating BIG TIME with the fact of actually loosing the Vikes (cheap as heck in the past. I.E. must rename to Minneapolis Vikings, NO city funds being used stance, No preparation holding out for the Vikes to flip the entire cost, Emergency release of a so called backup plan the other day, etc...). Not the entire state, but being cheap back then might have just cost Mpls huge. Now they have no money with only a $10 million offer on out of pocket on the table? Guess being cheap and frugal does pay???

*The State holding out for a cheaper and better deal and now it is costing them at least 3 times as much upfront. Not sure if the back end amount increased.

Fact is our state and its local governments and their constituents repeatedly gridlock out of pure cheapness. In the end we will figure out a way, as always though after the fact. Hence the state of procrastination.

[Shack]

A sticky post on the new stadium? Is that really necessary?

Good grief.

Just some stuff to help those who are maybe uninformed or misinformed.

It has all the info needed to keep us up to date.

Come on LIMIT. Show your Purple Pride dude! We are going to town with this dog! With the facts and all to guide our way.

[LMITOUT]

Do you get the daily news in Shangri La? Do you have any concept of what is happening in the real world??

Get out of your bubble. The economy is a train wreck and you're crying about a football stadium.

[Shack]

The benefits to our state and local economy are all in that thread for ya LIMIT.

The county of Shangri La will make it threw just fine. How are things over in The Sky is Falling county anyways? You're right next to Bottleneck and Drama counties aren't ya?

[LMITOUT]

There are no benefits. You're posting propaganda by the stadium bobo's. Hardly factual.

[LMITOUT]

Hopefully this is simple enough to understand. Maybe you can sticky it.

A need is something you have to have, something you can't do without. A good example is food. If you don't eat, you won't survive for long. Many people have gone days without eating, but they eventually ate a lot of food. You might not need a whole lot of food, but you do need to eat.

A want is something you would like to have. It is not absolutely necessary, but it would be a good thing to have. A good example is music. Now, some people might argue that music is a need because they think they can't do without it. But you don't need music to survive. You do need to eat.

[Shack]

L O Double L!

[zepman]

L O Double L!

Agree!!! Nevermind Lmit..he's a Packer fan living in a foreign state. He'd rather spoon with Clay Mathews than say anything positive about the Vikes and the new stadium than admit to anything pro-stadium.

He'd spoon with Mathews regardless of the stadium debate altogether. To each his own on their own comfort levels with the state's issues regarding the new stadium...please leave your bias and B-Sh11t on your "home-team" to yourself. If Lambeau needed to be replaced I'm sure the story would be much different.

I agree with Shack 100%. I have many, many customers who tell me they want to go the cheapeast, most economical way. In the end, they end up paying twice as much because they scimped on the front end.

Just get it done!!!

[creepworm]

It would be different if Lambeau needed replacement due to who owns the team.