Vultures...what is the popular opinion?

[walleye365]

find your own fish and drill your own holes dont be lazy. If someone is in your spot that you wanted to fish move on to the next spot that you got graphed on your gps pretty simple to me. Most people that do this have not fished there or have gps or plan anything other than waiting for someone else to do all the work.

[PFUNK]

find your own fish and drill your own holes dont be lazy. If someone is in your spot that you wanted to fish move on to the next spot that you got graphed on your gps pretty simple to me. Most people that do this have not fished there or have gps or plan anything other than waiting for someone else to do all the work.

I think in this case it is a reasonable assumption that these people moved in on this guys spot with no intention to originally fish there. However, that is an ASSUMPTION. If I decide before I go out what spot I am going to fish and there happens to be someone there, I am not going to go to an entirely new location. I will set up with plenty of room between the two of us and I will fish. Chances are it is a larger piece of structure and I don't need to be EXACTLY where he is. If it is a very small specific piece of structure and if I feel there is no way I can fish at a reasonable distance from them and still catch fish, I will move on to a different spot. If I had this spot in my gps where the original poster was fishing, and I got there to find that he had an area of 2 acres with holes all over, I am not going to feel guilty setting up at a reasonable distance (i.e. 30 yards or more) and drilling my own holes to fish.

[panfishpounder00]

as a guide myself, i know how you feel on the whole " bust yor but" routine. i had the same experience just yesterday out with my son and father! i had drilled about 150 holes over an acre approx! we had caught some crappies and a couple big pumpkins. 3 guys rolled up with an auger and didnt even fire it up once! they hole hopped and hole hopped, popped only a couple keeper fish, then walked over just as they were leaving and asked how we were doing, i showed them our fish and they were impressed that we found the hole(holes) that were working, i explained to them what and why those holes were producing, i guess i really dont have an issue when guys take over my holes, theres a reason why we are not fishing them! have at it!! heres my take, you can bust yor but at a deadend job for way less money, just count the blessings that are givin for you to do what you love and get paid for it! i just do my best to educate what i feel why and where the fish bite! i have had a few guys literally drop thier jig in the hole next to me! i just pack it up right there and move on. not even showing them the bait that i or the client is using. half the guys up here in my area (locals) know that i guide, and keep their distance, for the most part. i guess in all, i use it as a billboard sorta speak, they go home with the thought on their mind, that they didnt find the fish but the guide or guy with the group did, he must know what he's doin! this is my opinion. i will also note that if a guy or fam., or group for that matter, hopped out with kids, no issue whatsoever!! often times i'll invite that group! i've done it numerous times where a guy with a couple of kids gets out there and walks over to see how we are doing, i'll give my HONEST opinion and ask them if they want to fish some of our holes, alot less work for the guy/gal to have to deal with, exspecially with kids!! as long as the kids have fun is what it is all about, afterall, fishing is supposed to be a fun hobby isnt it?

[hawgchaser]

XRap, I don't mean to come across as "piling on". My home sits in the middle of just over 2 acres and it is approximately an eighth of a mile, diagonally from one corner to the other. If I'm trolling on Spring ice and find an open hole over two football fields away from someone else, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to drop a line in that open hole. I probably wouldn't even consider it as an active hole. I fish the west end of LOW in Spring and it seems to be common practice in the areas I fish for people to walk around and test different holes. I'm assuming (correctly of not) that four vehicles coming by indicates you were fishing near a common travel/fishing area. The only way I'd acknowledge ownership of a hole is if the holes are within the attended line zone (200ft.) and I personally feel that's a generous allowance, especially if I'm fishing a known hot spot - structure or no apparent structure.

BTW, the Spring trolling days are the only time I ever fish open holes that I didn't drill, but it seems to be common practice where I fish.

Tight lines and best wishes!

[XRap]

panfish,

I needed to blow off a little steam, hence the thread topic.

This is a reality check to see what principals people carry nowadays, quite a bit different from when I was a younger man, that's all.

There are as many circumstances out there as there are ways to approach them.

Just try to take the high road whichever angle you approach or are approached from. Take a moment to be a little considerate and "yes" whether the guy is fishing your hole or you are intending on fishing his just try to be considerate.

This isn't a hypocritical statement from me either..the blatent pile just toppled over when starting this post.

[bobbers up!]

2 Acres!!! I am one to find my own fish but I would definatley go fish next to this person that is basically whining about someone fishing within 2 acres of them.

Yep, some guides attitudes.......

[walleye365]

Pfunk my post wasnt torward you just posting on the subject. This is common it happens all the time and i just dont get why some people cant go out and find there own spot and fish like i said dont be lazy. Before i go out i have a spot on the gps that iv fished or found that im goin to fish and if theres someone on the spot i go to plan B its not that hard to find a differant spot to fish. I do this because i dont like being inruded on my self. Iv had people come over and talk and ask hows fishin, and i tell them if they ask to fish by me fine. To come over or stop and just fish holes that someone else has drilled and is still fishing is a Vulture. Xrap yes he had a big area,But he put all the time and effort into it these guys should of asked.

[pulleye16]

Sometimes I wonder if this whole hunting and fishing as gone too far. It's so much of a competition for so many of you it's sick. What happened to having fun, meeting new people, sharing ideas, just having a good 'ol time with someone that has the same interest as you?

Maybe we should all get police tape and tape off an area that "we" are fishing so no one enters "our" space!

[SpitnArgueDuckClub*]

Sometimes I wonder if this whole hunting and fishing as gone too far. It's so much of a competition for so many of you it's sick. What happened to having fun, meeting new people, sharing ideas, just having a good 'ol time with someone that has the same interest as you?

+1

[amateurfishing]

While I am completely new to this ice fishing stuff as this was my first season and dont know much, I would assume all public lakes are that - public- & would be fair game. I am not a guide nor have I ever used a guide service so dont know how professionals work. That said, I dont personally understand why anyone would drill more than 3 or 4 holes at a time and stake that as yours. Any more than that honestly IMO you are just asking for someone else to come in and invade your holes. Sure they could be nice and ask, or be rude and not ask and you confront them if you wish. You could also "plan" beter IMO and drill as needed and have a non issue. I am puely new and a novice & someone else can inform me i am wrong but I would look at it as a cut hole not being used as fair game. Even b4 i got my auger last fall and asking ppl bout ice fishing, i had quite a few tell me just ask someone else to drill for u or use unused old holes. I was not comfortable with invading someone else territory or what happens when u r only one out there. Obviously this is a thought process that quite a few may use wether they cant afford an auger or just rude to invade space.

[reelfever]

pulleye---amen, well put

[hawgchaser]

Sometimes I wonder if this whole hunting and fishing as gone too far. It's so much of a competition for so many of you it's sick. What happened to having fun, meeting new people, sharing ideas, just having a good 'ol time with someone that has the same interest as you?

+2

Some of my best times are when people are roaming around on a nice day, trying different holes, chatting to each other and just generally enjoying ice fishing on a warm Spring day! Never considered it scavenging or myself as a scavenger to drop a line in an unused hole during those times.

[ozzie]

I guess I am one that doesn't like the crowding in on the area I am fishing but other than bicker to myself I really don't care as they have every right to fish the area and any holes that I am not fishing over 10' away from me.....I have had it where I was still drilling holes in an area and had someone stop and fish holes that I had just got done drilling....yeah I was not pleased but all I could do was bite my tongue and keep moving on.....I guess it would be different if I were a guide but I think I would be more use to it also.....if I were a guide and this happened to me I would approach the group and maybe ask them what they are looking for explain my situation and maybe provide an area that I haven't tried and see if they would scout the area for me...if they don't want to do that I would just say good luck and go back to fishing.

[wahoo]

Agree with the last post! Nicely put.

[ac777]

Ya its crazy the lack of common sense respect for others. I had been fishing a spot on a area lake and NOBODY knew about it but a couple friends. Next thing ya know a couple trucks drive by, see us hook a few fish and for the next few weeks they were on that spot every time I went there. They didnt have to do any work what so ever! Vultures is a nice word for folks like this. I pride myself in finding fish in places others dont and putting in the hard work to do so. My pet peeve is those who watch you while you do all this hard work and then swoop in later to reap the rewards without lifting a finger.

Heck if I see someone fishing a spot when Im scouting I keep going and if I think its a spot worth looking at I go back later if they are gone and check it out.

Doesn't the last sentence look a little out of place?

Yes

[Ed Carlson]

When your a guide you get "Crows". Crows are people who fallow you, and make a practice of it. Some are no worries while others would sit right next to you and pick bait from your pail with no second thoughts.

It's an occupational hazard for all guides and one we must lean to cope with. Some Crows are less polite and considerate than others. Some are even rude and intrusive. Some may become new friends once you get to know each other better.

Finding a good spot is a guides task and we know it is a short lived accomplishment at best. Best advice is, try to be less noticeable so the Crows do not dial you in so quickly.

Public waters is public use domain, so common sense and courtesy amongst sportsman should be enough to keep the peace for all concerned.

[fishgutz77]

I'm with you Xrap.

Just a smidge of common sense would say keep moving on a huge lake.

It's public water, but that doesn't mean that you have to be a crow and lazy at the same time.

half the fun of the sport is finding your own spot.

The crows are just lousy fisherman looking for shinny object.

[PurpleFloyd]

The police tape idea seems to be the best solution I have seen if you want to keep people out of your area.

[Northlander]

I think a lot of it is if people are there or not. If nobody is there its not hurting anyone or stepping on anyones toes. There is a huge difference if I set up and fish holes when someone who drilled them is there VS if they arent. Heck if you think my holes are worth trying out after I left them have at it.

[Jackpine Rob]

There is a huge difference if I set up and fish holes when someone who drilled them is there VS if they arent.

Good rule of thumb. I like it.

For the life of me I don't see the attraction in moving in ANYWHERE NEAR where someone else is fishing. The whole concept really baffles me. I've always looked at fishing as a chance to get out and away from things - and I have been astonished at some of the folks I have run into in the middle of freaking nowhere who decide they must crowd in.

It (crowding in) is poor form in my book, and the mark of an inept fisherperson who can't find their own fish. I have had sport in the summer by dropping markers in choice spots, and laughing as the fools lost tackle and even ran props onto rocks.

[hawgchaser]

I have had sport in the summer by dropping markers in choice spots, and laughing as the fools lost tackle and even ran props onto rocks.

I think we're operating with vastly different definitions of sportsmanship. I'll probably stick with mine...seems to be based more upon enjoyment rather than hostility.

[curtistodd]

Bring a big, loud, barking rotweiler with you. Nobody will fish close at all !! Saw this recently, and I kept my distance!

[bobbymalone]

It (crowding in) is poor form in my book, and the mark of an inept fisherperson who can't find their own fish. I have had sport in the summer by dropping markers in choice spots, and laughing as the fools lost tackle and even ran props onto rocks.

Crowding is pretty lame, but if you want to talk about poor form...

I get irritated when somebody is crowding the cereal at the grocery store but it's part of life. Most of the time the cereal isle is big enough for more than one person to shop, especially if we compromise and work around each other to get to the raisin bran. I've learned to just live with it or head over to the dairy section to get something else on my list.

[panfishpounder00]

i guess if it was me..... i wouldnt be ashamed of doin it myself, if a guy has that many holes drilled in an area that i was interested in, i'd have no prob. fishin those holes! i would however ask how the fishing was, or start up a conversation. it would be nice to see if some of these "vultures" chimed in and gave their opinion on it!

[hawgchaser]

I get irritated when somebody is crowding the cereal at the grocery store but it's part of life. Most of the time the cereal isle is big enough for more than one person to shop, especially if we compromise and work around each other to get to the raisin bran. I've learned to just live with it or head over to the dairy section to get something else on my list.

Now that's FUNNY!! Sorry bobby; that was me crowding you...not because of ineptitude, but because my target cereal (red berries Special K) is stocked next to your raisin bran.

Curtistodd, I don't have a rottweiler. Do you think bringing the ugly stray cat with the frozen-off tail that adopted my shed will produce the same effect? Just wondering...