Elk River Football team suspended.

[fishinphilth]

Shaving heads is one thing, pushing a broom handle at the cornhole is a total different situation.

[nonteepical]

Hazing of some sort takes place in every school...in every town...in this country. If you don't think so you're just fooling yourself. It's much like drinking alcohol...they won't do it in front of you...or tell you about it...but you can bet your bottom dollar it's happening. It just comes with the territory.

there was never any hazing when i was in high school, unless you were in band or choir then you just got beat up. but i can gurantee you 1/2 the team was drunk during every game, we had vodka and everclear in some of the water bottles. still don't know why they let us get away with it, theres no way they couldn't of known.

[Shack]

I would say the only hazing I know of is when you start work as a newbie in a machine shop, auto shop, and of course construction (mainly Union). Maybe some could roll in hunting and fishing when introducing someone new to the sport. Heck, the snipe hunt is a form of hazing people in who are new to staying in the outdoors. I think it is just some human nature thing that is passed down to those who are new to gain acceptance. I am talking about good hazing forms, not bad forms.

How many in here have something they do as a form of a haze to new hunters (I talking adults mainly, but even kids) that come to deer camp for the first time. KP duty was one and I was willing to do it to fit in and gain some respect.

IMO the rumored allegations and even what sounds like the reality of the allegation, in the end should not be tolerated. For one, what is the first thing the school had to do? hire or Either use a retainer that could have went else-wheres for this situation. Just a sign of the times and like Lep said, it is a channel that could lead into other things down the road. Anyone ever watch Dazed and Confused?

[bobbymalone]

I have heard from reliable sources that this is being blown way out of porportion!!!! From what my sources told me there was no penetration or anything of that matter......

as soon as penetration is mentioned, even if it's only mention is to state that it didn't happen, something went waaaaaaay to far.

sounds like some hazing and a little homoerotic fantasy action mixed up into one.

[harvey lee]

I would hope for the sake of the kids involved and the school that these are all false.

Very sick if not.

[jerkbait]

Like Bobby said. Some kids take it way to far. My step son was bullied so bad that he finally ran out of school(Becker school) one day. The school called my wife and she wound up finding him hiding out by the pine trees. The irritating part was the school couldn't or wouldn't do much to help. I wanted to go have a little chit chat with one of the kid's parents but my wife wouldn't let me. Needless to say my stepson went to live with his dad to get away from the bullying.

[ozzie]

That wouldn't happen in Becker just ask B.R.O.........lol sorry to hear that about your step son Jerkbait hopefully he got away from the bullying and has put it behind him and can move forward knowing that is not they way people should be treated...

and the only reason I mentioned there was no penetration is because the way it was first reported was that there was a broomstick and a shower involved. If you read or hear this it sounds really bad but in actuality it had nothing to do with showers and there was nothing perverted by the sounds of it......

[Shack]

My only bully story was back 83/84 when I was in second grade. It was a 5th or 6th grader who road my bus and had a heavy history of making younger boys suffer for some reason. I remember my biggest fear was the reaction from my parents and them getting involved. This bully never did more than ridicule you to no end the entire 45 minute bus ride and took things as payment to ride the bus in-leu of not getting hurt. It was a couple kids also who had to go threw this. Not huge, but it instilled enough fear in me that I came to a point where I was lost to find something worth the exchange. At that point I told my mother after trying everything in the book to get out riding the bus. My father worked 3rd shift then and after I said to not tell dad, sure enough dad had a talk with me the next day. Short of the "you always have to stick up for your self speech", he said he was going down to fix it. This made me sick lol. No kid at that age wants mom or dad to fix anything at school.

Sure enough, the next day I was called down to the office. Mind you this was in a Dis. 728 (Elk River) school and no, the principal is retired. I was told to sit in Death Row (line of chairs outside the principal's office) until I was called for. The principle's door was shut and I could hear talking. Soon the door opened and out walked the principal, the bully. I was called in next and when I came through the door, their sat my dad. . I guess the principal had had enough, my dad was a willing parent and I think the kid's mother (had no father) said go ahead and by what I could hear, they chewed him out pretty good. I swear the bully had a tear in his eye when he left the office. I was told it was taken care out and could ride the bus once again. Sure enough, the school bus ride was as fun as a 45 minute school bus ride could be once again. Never had a problem the rest of the year or next. After that, I realized mom & dad were their for me and when I felt this way, I should tell them. I just do not think this would fly anymore now-a-days.

[Shack]

That wouldn't happen in Becker just ask B.R.O.........lol sorry to hear that about your step son Jerkbait hopefully he got away from the bullying and has put it behind him and can move forward knowing that is not they way people should be treated...

and the only reason I mentioned there was no penetration is because the way it was first reported was that there was a broomstick and a shower involved. If you read or hear this it sounds really bad but in actuality it had nothing to do with showers and there was nothing perverted by the sounds of it......

Just to be clear, my first report of the rumor I pulled did not include a shower at all. Lol. I just said hazing, racial & broom stick. Never heard anything about a shower scene.

[harvey lee]

Like Bobby said. Some kids take it way to far. My step son was bullied so bad that he finally ran out of school(Becker school) one day. The school called my wife and she wound up finding him hiding out by the pine trees. The irritating part was the school couldn't or wouldn't do much to help. I wanted to go have a little chit chat with one of the kid's parents but my wife wouldn't let me. Needless to say my stepson went to live with his dad to get away from the bullying.

The school should have booted the kid that was the problem.

If they would deal with these a&& clowns, maybe these issues would decrease.

[zepman]

Do not confuse hazing with bullying...it's two completely different acts with two totally different intentions all together.

This story is all about some parent way overreacting to FALSE claims and getting blown way out of proportion...it's a non-story.

[Dave S]

This story is all about some parent way overreacting to FALSE claims and getting blown way out of proportion...it's a non-story.

This looks to be more a matter of opinion. Show the proof Zep. If you have facts to back up your statement, provide them.

As it was said in so many words earlier, broomsticks and backsides is a little more than just a made up story. Obviously there was an unwilling participant.

[zepman]

I'm not saying those two things weren't present...just not to the extent that some are saying.

Check the news and stay tuned...this story, barring any other RUMORS, has run it's course. No substantiated claims from any of the kids involved...it's source is ONE parent.

I think the kids made a mistake in judgement in the way they went about this but that's what kids do sometimes...make mistakes.

[Big Tom]

This story is all about some parent way overreacting to FALSE claims and getting blown way out of proportion...it's a non-story.

I'd like to know how a guy in Mankato knows so much about what happened in Elk River.

Were you there? Do you know someone on the team? Any evidence for your claim at all?

[zepman]

I don't know exactly what happened in Elk River but I can assure you of this...the kids involved are more than likely some of Elk River Senior Highs finest. These "initiations" have been part of the game for as long as it's been played. Again, I don't agree with the manner in which they "played" this out but in the end it's all designed to bring a team closer not pull them apart.

As a former player, past college coach, and father of two sons, I'll err on the side of the kids on this one...

[Big Tom]

I have a hard time with the word "finest" and someone that holds down another person and poke thems in the rectum with a mop handle. I guess we just see things differently.

[B.R.O.]

That wouldn't happen in Becker just ask B.R.O.........lol sorry to hear that about your step son Jerkbait

Wow Ozzie I dont know if your some kind of keyboard commando with too much time on your hands or what but maybe have a little knowledge of what your talking about before spouting off. There are bullys in every school,(just like there are instigators on every web forum like yourself ) Beckers head coach isn't even employed by the school in any regard besides the FOOTBALL coach. You cant relate the incident that happened to his son in school at all. Unless you think a football coach is responsible for every kid in the school and their actions on the team or not.....That said I would bet any amount of money the guy wasn't on the football team. they have a higher standard set for themselves and are pretty secure in who they are, thus no need to bully to feel like a tough guy. if you dont believe me let me know and I would be happy to bring you to a practice or game with me, the coaches and players are more than open and friendly to everyone that wants to see first hand how they operate.

[B.R.O.]

.the kids involved are more than likely some of Elk River Senior Highs finest. These "initiations" have been part of the game for as long as it's been played. Again, I don't agree with the manner in which they "played" this out but in the end it's all designed to bring a team closer not pull them apart.

As a former player, past college coach, and father of two sons, I'll err on the side of the kids on this one...

Really?? As a former player and father of 3 players I dont think a broom handle stuck in my A$$ would make me feel like being a closer friend.

And as a father alone god help you if you do it to one of my sons....I'll err on the side of the parents and lawyers on this one.

[zepman]

Again...wait until the story unfolds before passing judgement.

[B.R.O.]

Zepman...O.k your right I dont have first hand knowledge but am a lot closer to the scene of the crime than you and have heard fairly reliable info that its actually as bad as I've stated. I wonder why with these accusations you would err on the kids side without the story unfolding completely? Seems to me even if its not as bad as thought the fact that its even brought up in the possibilities should be enough.. A program isn't shut down like this on unsubstantiated rumors alone.

[zepman]

Because I trust the kids more than I do the parents.

[mcgarth]

shack what year did you graduate from elk river?

[Dave S]

No substantiated claims from any of the kids involved...it's source is ONE parent.

WRONG.

The claim and the source of this act comes from the student who was the victim of a perverted, sick and twisted act but still had the balls to speak up and fortunately also has a parent who knows right from wrong.

[zepman]

My point was none of the claims or rumors that are flying around have been substantiated by any of the kids (thus far) through their investigation. If they had, someone...probably multiple people...including coaches, would be in jail and needing an attorney.

It seems like everyone is assuming the worst without knowing all the details...I'm just saying wait for the details to come out before you judge what did or did not happen.

[Dave S]

From what I have seen on the news, there are kids who acknowledge it did happen but are saying it's no big deal.

So, if the kids who witnessed what happened say it was no big deal, we should discredit the claim from the kid who spoke up? What kind of message does that send? Since when should we make a bunch of teenagers who witnessed what happened the jury/judge/executioner?