New Ford Oil Burner and Gassers!!!

[CJH]

Ford just released the specs/info on their new Super Duty Diesel and Gas Engines, along with some other goodies:

2011 Ford Super Duty: power and fuel economy figures

02/25/2010, 1:38 AM

By Mark Kleis

Ford has released the long-awaited horsepower and torque figures for its all-new powertrain lineup for the 2011 Super Duty F-Series trucks. The new powertrains include Ford’s first in-house 6.7-liter Power Stroke turbocharged V8 and an all-new 6.2-liter gasoline powered V8, both matched to a new six-speed heavy-duty automatic transmission.

For 2011, the Ford Super Duty will reportedly carry a base price of $28,995. Although that represents a bit of a premium over the current truck – which bases at $26,850 – the revised pickup does come packing a number of upgrades.

The Super Duty will be offered with a choice of two powerful V8 motors — one gasoline unit and one diesel mill – as well as one V10 gas engine.

Ford says that 97 percent of its Super Duty customers use their trucks for towing, so Ford has developed a new pair of engines and a new heavy-duty transmission that it believes are the answers for anyone looking to do some serious towing.

The all-new 6.7-liter Power Stroke turbocharged diesel

The all-new Power Stroke diesel is Ford’s first foray into the in-house diesel development game, and features a completely new design from the ground up. For anyone that has been following the development of the engine, they likely know it as the “Scoprion.” Ford says that their Ford-engineered and Ford-built B20 (biodiesel) compatible diesel will deliver best-in-class torque of 735 lb-ft. at 1,600 rpm, as well as best-in-class horsepower of 390.

These bumps in power represent a gain of 85 lb-ft. of torque and 40 horsepower over the outgoing Navistar unit, but also feature sizable gains in fuel economy (now best-in-class) and lower cost of ownership. The 6.4-liter Power Stroke was plagued by a poor designed that require cab-off repairs for most problems, but Ford says the new unit will allow servicing to the turbocharger, EGR (exhaust gas recirculation) cooler and high-pressure fuel pump without removing the cab – saving time and money for both vehicle owners and warranty claims alike.

This recently-announced 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 turbocharged diesel engine features a compacted graphite iron engine block, optimized for increased durability and reduced weight Aluminum cylinder heads also reduce engine weight. A unique inboard exhaust and outboard intake architecture — an industry-first for a modern diesel — reduces overall exhaust volume, which leads to better throttle response. Heat transfer, nois, and vibration are also mitigated by a reduced exhaust system surface area.

The all-new diesel will be mated to an all-new TorqShift heavy-duty six-speed automatic transmission. Ford says this new transmission is more durable, allows for increased power and torque with its SelectShift Automatic feature. Ford has also developed a unique Live Drive PTO (Power Take Off) functionality that is a segment first and class-exclusive. The PTO will be available on diesels only, and allows for an output gear that is linked through the torque convertor to the engine crankshaft. this will allow the transmission to power substantial auxiliary equipment such as snowplows, aerial lifts, tow truck lifts, cement mixers and dump truck beds.

“Having best-in-class numbers is powerful, but the real payoff is how those numbers deliver for our customers,” said Mark Fields, Ford president of The Americas. “For 33 years, F-Series has been the No. 1-seller in America because we listen to our customers. With Super Duty, they’ve told us how they use their trucks to tow, and on the new truck, we focused on delivering best-in-class towing capability for them with new powertrains that deliver best-in-class power and best-in-class fuel economy.”

In addition to putting significant effort into developing a powerhouse of an engine that still reported strong fuel economy in the class, Ford also put its engineers to task to develop a lower NVH rating, or noise, vibration and harshness. Ford says the result is the best-in-class NVH rating, resulting in a quieter and more comfortable ride for the truck’s occupants.

The all-new 6.2-liter V8

In the past, Ford relied on a combination of its 5.4-liter V8 and V10 gas engines to provide alternatives to the higher-cost diesel engines. Now, Ford scrapped its underpowered 5.4-liter unit, and introduced a more powerful and fuel-efficient 6.2-liter V8 that provides best-in-class 385 horsepower and 405-lb-ft of torque. Ford says this new engine will provide 15 percent better fuel economy than its comparably equipped 2010 5.4-liter gas model, but stopped short of giving exact EPA figures. Ford says this new V8 delivers class-leading fuel economy and is also E85 compatible.

The new 6.2-liter V8 picks up 85 horsepower and 40 lb-ft of torque over the 5.4-liter V8, while also improving fuel economy by 15 percent. Expect an EPA city rating of around 16 mpg, and a highway rating of around 21 mpg. Like the new diesel, this gas engine will be mated to the same heavy-duty Torqshift six-speed automatic transmission. Ford also points out that the new transmission features a 150,000 mile service interval thanks to an advanced dual-stage internal filter system, which will lower cost of ownership compared to the previous transmission.

The 6.8-liter V10 will continue to be available in both the F-450 and F-550 chassis cab customers, along with the five-speed TorqShift automatic transmission.

“A lot of F-450 and F-550 commercial customers have built their businesses around our truck with that configuration, so it’s important we retain that,” said Todd Kaufman, F-Series chassis cab marketing manager.

Ford towing and payload to remain class-leading

Ford says that the 2011 Super Duty will remain the towing and payload champ with its F-550 chassis cab boasting 26,400 pounds of towing capability and 6,520 pounds of payload capacity. Ford says that 25 percent of its Super Duty sales are based on chassis cab models, making this figure important to the automaker and customers alike.

Ford says the more consumer oriented F-250 and F-350 will also have best-in-class conventional towing and payload capacity. Both the F-250 and F-350 single-rear-wheel models can tow up to 14,000 pounds and haul payloads as large as 4,050 pounds and 4,600 pounds, respectively.

The F-350 dual-rear-wheel model will deliver best-in-class conventional towing of 16,000 pounds and fifth wheel towing of 21,600 pounds. The dually will also be able to pack 6,520 pounds in it bed.

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Super Duty goes super tech

Like the rest of Ford’s latest products, this new 2011 Super Duty is no exception when it comes to a long list of advanced interfacing options and interior technology options.

Ford created a technology suite, known as Ford Work Solutions, that features four unique technologies that were developed with business owners and operators in mind.

The first of four technologies is also an industry first – an in-dash computer that was developed with Magneti Marelli and powered by Microsoft Auto, which provided full high-speed Internet access via Sprint Mobile Broadband and navigation by Garmin. Ford says this is the first-ever broadband-capable in-dash computer in production. Ford explains that this system was developed based on the desires of customers to be able to print out invoices, check inventories and access work documents while on job sites.

The second is the Tool Link system with RFID tracking, co-developed with Dewalt, in order to verify that all tools are accounted for and in the truck prior to leaving a job site.

The third technology in the suite is Ford’s Crew Chief system, which is a fleet telematics and diagnostics system that allows fleet owners or operators to manage vehicles and dispatch workers with simultaneous tracking and records.

The final part of Ford Work solutions if the Cable Lock security system that was co-developed with Master Lock. This system is intended to discourage theft of expensive tools that are too large to fit inside the cab.

Other improvements include the introduction of: Hill Start Assist, which applies brakes to prevent rollback; Hill Descent Control, which regulates brakes and throttle while descending; an Electronic Locking Differential, which provides maximum traction by forcing the rear wheels to turn at the same speed; a tire pressure monitoring system; optional side air bags and air curtains; and a new 4.2-inch LCD screen that includes information on specific features such as Trailer Brake Control and Tow Haul.

[Scott K]

Ford has some exciting stuff coming out in the next 24 months. I was able to see and hear the new 6.7 diesel in a class, it is designed different then what we are used to seeing. The engine sure was quiet though, and ran very smooth. Ford has been testing this engine for a few years now, and vowed not to have the issues that the previous Navistar engines had. Hopefully this is true!

[deadeye]

Interesting.

The new v8 isn't a big block (which is what I would hope for in a HD truck) but its at least going in the right direction. Im glad that they are realizing that a baby v8 in a huge truck=gutless pig. It will definitely help efficiency to have the extra displacement.

Not sure about all the technology though. If you got a problem with that stuff your going to need a IT guy and not a mechanic. I suppose we will see what happens with all of that.

HDC and HSA has been around for a while on other brands so that should be a nice addition.

Still not a Ford fanatic but I have a lot of respect for what they are doing. It seems like they are raising the bar quite a bit there. Glad they are fixing the issues with the diesel. Dodge took the HD truck award this year but I would bet Ford has got it next year.

[Hafnutz]

And Ford did all this without taking a Gubmint handout. Can't help but improve their sales even more....Makes me proud.

[Dozer]

Why does Ford have to come out with a new diesel every other year? 7.3, 6.0, 6.4 and now a 6.7 all within 7 or 8 years? Seems like you hear nothing but complaints about all but the old 7.3.

[Scott K]

The other engines were built by Navistar, and they had to be changed to meet emmissions. The 6.7 is a Ford built engine, built to get rid of Navistar.

[jltimm]

The 6.7 is a Ford built engine,

That's a scary thing there.....

[Dozer]

The other engines were built by Navistar, and they had to be changed to meet emmissions. The 6.7 is a Ford built engine, built to get rid of Navistar.

Correct me if Im wrong but these emissions standards are nothing new, they have known they would have to meet these for many years. Just seems like they are always coming out with what is supose to be the greatest thing ever only to be told it is junk and being replaced 2 years later. I dont know what Dodge is doing but havent they used the same basic engine for quite some time now? Hasnt Chevy basicly used the same engine with some twicks since 01ish? Why does Ford need to completly start over from scratch everyother year?

If you cant tell I am not a Ford man, only owned one in my life and have no intentions of owning anouther.

[deadeye]

Originally Posted By: 4wanderingeyes

The other engines were built by Navistar, and they had to be changed to meet emmissions. The 6.7 is a Ford built engine, built to get rid of Navistar.

Why does Ford need to completly start over from scratch everyother year?

They started over with the diesel because for a lot of navistar motor repairs it was nessicary to lift the cab off the chassis to repair the motor. That is a lot of labor and costs a lot of dough. Both for the customer and people who are paying for the warranty repair. They had gasket issues and other stuff with the navistar so it costed eveyone a lot of money.

They redesign stuff a lot because they are trying to innovate and stay on top of the game besides fixing issues. Everyone wants better fuel economy and more power so that's what u gotta do to be a player in the game.

I'm not sure about emisssions? I thought they haven't done much since they introduced the DPF a few years ago?

I'm not a ford man myself but you gotta give them credit for what they have done. They are pretty much holding it down for the US made stuff right now.

[muchowja]

Their mechanics weren't getting enough work with the 7.3 liters as a powerplant so they put some less reliable engines in to keep the service departments open.

[norm25]

Why would you need an IT guy to repair the problems? Most of the automotive technicians I have had the privilege to work with have taken on all challenges. Including the training and support Ford will offer them. Unless you are unwilling to learn as an automotive technician, these days, it is relatively easy to keep up as long as you maintain the mind.

[Valv]

I've been a diesel motor fanatic all my life. I appreciate and admire what Ford did and how they went through these tough times. I have to admit they gained a lot of confidence with me, but I still disagree with their pursue of finding a good motor for their diesel trucks.

I don't think Scorpion will be the answer for the new SD, they had many choices of already successful engine manufacturers, some which they own (Volvo) and still they chose the tough route. The experience of building diesel motors doesn't come from a couple of years of testing. It comes from decades of heavy field usage. Caterpillar, Cummins, Detroit, Perkins, Volvo and many others have built proven units for any use.

Remember Scorpion will be installed in F 250/350/450/550 then what do they install in their F650 and above ? The 6.7l Cummins (Dodge) or a CAT, which they are botch classified as Medium Duty engines.

Ford lost their butt with the 6.0l and 6.4l, and will be still loosing the battle. They will sell many trucks, because the brand loyals will trust them again.

They studies their market and they employ people much, much smarter than me, I just hope they are right, but I don't have a good feeling on this.

On the other side I will buy a Fusion Hybrid over a Toyota in a blink of an eye, much better car and with a lot less problems.

Buy American people, we need it.

[Ufatz]

Sometimes the newest isn't neccessarily the best. I have a 1996 F-250 Powerstroke with the 7.3 and all it has done since I drove it out of the dealers place is run, run, run....pulling Airsream all over the country, starting at -30 when plugged in, cruising all day on interstate and giving me 13-14 mpg towing trailer. Plenty of miles on it but still does not burn a drop of oil. And no need to pull the cab off to fixe it either. That is absurd!!

No way I will part with tmy Power Stork!

[TR21HP]

What happened to the early talk about , one, a baby diesel for the F-150's and two, talk about a V6, twin turbo eco boost, similiar to the new Taurus that was supposed to have 400 horse and 20 plus mpg for the F150 as well? That 6.2 is being put into the Raptor right now and should be available in a month or so.

[klecker]

Sometimes the newest isn't neccessarily the best. I have a 1996 F-250 Powerstroke with the 7.3 and all it has done since I drove it out of the dealers place is run, run, run....pulling Airsream all over the country, starting at -30 when plugged in, cruising all day on interstate and giving me 13-14 mpg towing trailer. Plenty of miles on it but still does not burn a drop of oil. And no need to pull the cab off to fixe it either. That is absurd!!

No way I will part with tmy Power Stork!

Right on. Mines got 240,000. Relaced the water pump and a alt. These motors are like the old 300 6 cyl. Replacement parts just sit on the self.

[Scott K]

Well to clear up a few things, the 7.3 couldnt meet emmisions, so that is where the 6.0 came in. The 6.0 was just an under powered, over boosted pile of junk. That is how they got to the 6.4, but after the 6.4 came out, and had a lot of the same problems that the 6.0 had, so Ford decided since Navistar didnt want to help pay there share for the problems to repair their engines, they designed their own. The 6.7 was in the works for several years, and wasnt just a after thought.

Valv, you are correct in Ford owns several good engines already, and yet they design new engines, that some times arent near as good as what they already own. For an example, Ford owns Cummins, but have an agreement with Dodge, that it wont use Cummins in any non commercial truck, they cant use it in anytihng smaller then the F550.

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What happened to the early talk about , one, a baby diesel for the F-150's and two, talk about a V6, twin turbo eco boost, similiar to the new Taurus that was supposed to have 400 horse and 20 plus mpg for the F150 as well? That 6.2 is being put into the Raptor right now and should be available in a month or so.

Them engines will be releasd in the 1/2 ton models, f150, Expeditions.

[Valv]

For an example, Ford owns Cummins, but have an agreement with Dodge, that it wont use Cummins in any non commercial truck, they cant use it in anytihng smaller then the F550.

4wanderingeyes, I love you to death (as a friend) but I have to say Ford does not owns Cummins. They did have some stock shares (less than 20%) in the late '90s and early 2000s, but they were bought out by Cummins itself which is now completely independent.

The BT series engines, which some of them are installed in Dodge trucks were originally a development between Cummins and Case tractors, the BT6 (6 inline) was also installed in Dodge trucks since 1989, the BT4 (4 inline) was installed in various applications (1845 skidsteer loaders, delivery vans, etc). Also due to the association of Case, International and Fiat, the design of the BT was exported and copied from Fiat itself, which, now, guess what, owns a good part of Chrysler Motor Corp.

In any case, one of the major factors of Ford (and Chevy) choice of V8 diesel motors is displacement. The V8 engines do take less room lengthwise compared to an inline 6. Marked studies also indicated trucks with a V8 are more accepted from the common market.

[slurpie]

My family has ownwed diesel trucks since 1983. Bought 2 6.9 inn 1983 first year they came out they were work trucks the one finally died last year and the other 2 years before. Could'nt tell you how many miles are on them the odometers were replaced sometime. Got a 1993 idi with the turbo thats been a good motor also. Have a 2000 7.3 the motor has been great with a few power enhancers. HAd a 2001 7.3 that ws good that was traded for a 2003 6.0. We still have the 6.0 been a work truck from day one had some injector problems that is it. Got a 2006 6.0 and not a lick of problems with that engine yet and hopefully dont. Have not owned a 6.4. Been ford will stay ford for a long time. Good to see that they come out with new stuff. Hopefuly they got an engine now that will be really good. Just think if Ford would have had a good diesel engine for example the cummings, chevy and dodge may have went under years ago. My opinion everyone is entitleed to their own. But it seems alot of people never bought ford due to the motor hopefully they hit a homer with this one, good to support ourselves and buy from within the us.

[Scott K]

You are probably right Val, I knew they had some stock in the company, and before I posted, I did a small amount of research to confirm that they still did. I didnt find anything, so I "assumed" they were still owners. Sorry for any confusion from my part!