fishwater Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Quote:Johnson Outdoors Files Suit in Federal Court Against Maker of LowranceNavico 'Willfully Infringed' on Side Imaging® PatentPress Release Source: Johnson Outdoors Inc. On Wednesday January 27, 2010, 9:00 amRACINE, Wisc., Jan. 27, 2010 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Johnson Outdoors Inc. (Nasdaq:JOUT- News) today announced it has filed a patent infringement lawsuit against Navico,Inc. for infringement of U.S. Patent No. 7,652,952 by Navico's sale of the LowranceLSS-1 StructureScan Imaging System. Johnson Outdoors' patent protects theHumminbird® Side Imaging® sonar technology. The complaint was filed in the U.S.District Court in Alabama, the home of Humminbird® products for over 50 years. Johnson Outdoors' Side Imaging® sonar produces detailed and recognizable images ofunderwater objects and waterbeds enabling anglers to pinpoint habitat, structure anddrop-offs which are prime holding areas for fish. The patent application processbegan in 2004 prior to the Company's introduction of Side Imaging® sonar inHumminbird® 900 series fishfinder models the following year. Consumer demand prompted Johnson Outdoors to expand utilization of Side Imaging®sonar technology across a broad range of its Humminbird® portfolio and was a keydriver behind the brand's growth over the past four years. Following acomprehensive and methodical review process, on January 26, 2010, the U.S. Patentand Trademark Office granted the Company's patent for "Side Imaging® sonar.""Our intellectual property policy is very simple: we will respect the property ofothers and fiercely protect that of our own. We were diligent throughout the SideImaging® sonar technology patent application process to ensure we achieved bothbecause real innovation brings real value which our customers and consumers expectand demand. By taking steps to protect our ideas and inventions, we help ensure ourability to continue to bring forward meaningful advances and innovative productsthat excite consumers and build our customers' business," said Kelly Grindle, GroupVice President Marine Electronics & Watercraft. The Company's complaint says Navico, Inc. expended substantial resources to informthe trade and relevant purchasers of fish finding products, that it too would useside scan technology to compete directly with Humminbird® Side Imaging® sonarproducts with knowledge that the U.S. Patent & Trademark Office had approved theCompany's patent. The complaint further says Navico actively induced infringement ofthe patent by resellers.The Company is asking the Court to enjoin Navico from further infringement of thepatented Side Imaging® sonar technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 More and more good news for Navico. First Linda Colt and now this.I thought it was kind of strange that Lowrance came out with this technology a few months after Humminbird.I guess we will see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
river rat316 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 More like a few years afterwards, my opinion of Navco is dropping fast, and it wasn't good to begin with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJH Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Not good!!!! Not a big Lowrance fan and this doesn't help...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 i'm hoping this works out well for humminbird... just in the past two years i have bought a new humminbird depth finder/gps combo for my boat, and a ICE 35 for the winter months... i am a FULL supporter of humminbird products and i like where the company is going in progress over the past couple years. this would be a huge plus to humminbird if they can get the patent rights to the side imaging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 jwmiller33I believe they have the patent rights and thats why the lawsuit has been filed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 i see.. thats what i kind of figured but i didn't understand how navco came out with basically the same thing, so i figured humminbird was in the process of getting the patent rights. if they already have the patent rights, then navco is SOL, aren't they? shouldn't it be a pretty simple and straight forward lawsuit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabug Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 not a suporter either way but dont all locaters use primarily the sae technology for 2d sonar so whats the big deal if more then one company has side imageing. also didn't lowrance have the down scan first. i believe it was out for some last summer already. humminbird is just getting there's out so did they take that fro lowrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSchultz Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 The reason why down scan isn't an issue is because it is data that is used from the side imaging software. In essence Hbirds already collected downscan information previous to Lowrance introducing it, Bird just added the view of it when thier customers asked for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishGUY Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Here is the response from Lowrance. LOWRANCE AFFIRMS CONTINUED COMMITMENT FOR DISTRIBUTION AND SUPPORT OF STRUCTURESCAN™ SONAR IMAGING TECHNOLOGYSide-scanning and DownScan Imaging™ software and module add-on solution for HDS displays offers anglers and boaters a unique full-picture view of the underwater world. Tulsa, Okla. – Lowrance, a world-leading brand in marine electronics since 1957 and GPS navigational systems since 1992, re-affirmed today that the LSS-1 StructureScan™ sonar imaging module option – compatible with HDS fishfinder/chartplotter multifunction displays – will continue to be sold, distributed and fully supported worldwide. The announcement is a direct response to today’s patent infringement lawsuit filed against Navico, Inc., by Johnson Outdoors. Lowrance publicly announced the 2009 availability of LSS-1 StructureScan™ sonar imaging on February 20, 2009, at the Bassmaster® Classic Expo, held in Shreveport, La. Additional details – including the DownScan Imaging™ feature of StructureScan™ sonar imaging for Lowrance HDS displays – were revealed publicly on July 15, 2009, at the International Convention of Sportfishing Trades (ICAST), held in Orlando, Fla. Following the on-time shipment of LSS-1 StructureScan™ sonar imaging in November 2009, excitement of LSS-1 StructureScan™ sonar imaging continues to grow as media and dealer demonstrations at marine-industry events have revealed the unique “full picture” view and other unique features that this add-on module provides for owners of Lowrance HDS multifunction displays. The LSS-1 StructureScan™ sonar imaging is based on Navico’s known and reliable sonar technology, yet it also features additional new technology not available from others, in a unique add-on module configuration. “We are confident,” said Louis Chemi, COO for Navico Americas, “in the uniqueness and value of Lowrance LSS-1 StructureScan™ sonar imaging. We also wish to assure our customers that the worldwide sale and distribution of StructureScan™ sonar imaging will absolutely continue as planned with full Lowrance support for years to come. Navico will vigorously defend the recent legal proceedings initiated by Johnson Outdoors.” For more information on Lowrance StructureScan™ sonar imaging, Lowrance HDS multifunction displays, or the entire Lowrance line of marine electronics. -30- About Lowrance: The Lowrance® brand is wholly owned by Navico, Inc., a privately held, international marine electronics company. Navico is currently the world’s largest marine electronics company, and is the parent company to five well-established marine electronics brands: B&G®, Eagle®, Lowrance, Northstar and Simrad®.Note from admin, please read forum policy before posting again, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhguide Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Im sorry but I dont think anything will happen its just a bunch of hoopla. I'm a huge supporter of Lowrance vs H-bird or Versus any other product for that matter, I know that it doesnt look good but I doubt anything will happen. Each and everyday this happens around the world and most get tossed out! Thats just my opinion, who knows. There is a reason that lowrance got to where they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoozebutton Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 More and more good news for Navico. First Linda Colt and now this. What's the deal with Linda? Did I miss something? I've contacted her several times in the past and have gotten excellent results from her. I hope she's still with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I was told by a Lowrance rep that they are going to try and hire Linda back.For whats that worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TR21HP Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 Linda has already told Navico she is not coming back and is seeking a severence package that is being challenged by management. She is not in good health presently and won't be working for awhile according to her daughter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyK Posted January 28, 2010 Share Posted January 28, 2010 I have worked on patent infringement issues at my job a bit (although I am not a lawyer) and this will likely take a long, long time to sort out.Sounds like Humminbird is going for the home run, charging "willful infringement" which if they can prove (very difficult) they can demand that Lowrance stop selling their units and get triple damages awarded as well. Damages in this case could be something like Lowrance having to pay Humminbird three times the value of every structure scan unit they sold since these sales legitimately could have gone to Humminbird. This is very difficult to prove however as Humminbird will basically have to find the "smoking gun" like a Lowrance email or report that says "We know our stuff is the same but let's just sell it anyway". I would expect Lowrance to actually counter sue defending their DownScan technology. While it is likely true that the side scan provides the data to the unit to construct the down scan image, Lowrance could claim that they invented some unique way to analyze that data and construct the image and that Humminbird is copying them. That would be a very common court tactic to force Humminbird to negotiate a settlement - something like you license me your stuff and I will license you my stuff and we will all just go on competing in the market place. In fact, when all is said and done that will be the most likely outcome of all the lawyering that will start now and continue for years.For the short term, Humminbird will try and get a court to stop Lowrance from producing and selling their units - get a temporary injuction. If they succeed in getting a judge to issue an injuction, that will be the first public indication of the strength of their arguements. Until then, it all just saber rattling, bluff and bluster.Like Harvey Lee, I was wondering if there would be some courtroom drama when Lowrance came out with their "me too" technology - even going so far as to preannounce that it was coming so far in advance.This could provide some winter entertainment while we wait for the ice to melt and the calendar to tick over in May.Bob K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonicrunch Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 ooooooo!!! Patent infringement. I too deal with patents on a limited basis. I will watch this play out with great interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnMickish Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 One has to think that Johnson Outdoors isn't going to spend this kind of money in this economy if they don't think they have a better than average chance.If this goes in Humminbirds favor, it could very well put the nail in Lowrances freshwater sonar cofin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoozebutton Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 Linda has already told Navico she is not coming back and is seeking a severence package that is being challenged by management. She is not in good health presently and won't be working for awhile according to her daughter. That's a shame, she was the best thing Lowrance had going for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 One has to think that Johnson Outdoors isn't going to spend this kind of money in this economy if they don't think they have a better than average chance.If this goes in Humminbirds favor, it could very well put the nail in Lowrances freshwater sonar cofin. I agree Jon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierBridge Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 In fairness to Lowrance they certainly aren't going out of business anytime soon over Linda or this lawsuit. They have 100's of thousands of satisfied customers and all they really need to do is improve the product and their customer service a tad bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey lee Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I agree Pier but these lawsuits, if won, can really put a financail strain on them if they do not prevail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I agree Pier but these lawsuits, if won, can really put a financail strain on them if they do not prevail. that is soooo true harvey... sometimes losing a lawsuit is the tipping point for a company to be on its way to bankruptcy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 In fairness to Lowrance they certainly aren't going out of business anytime soon over Linda or this lawsuit. They have 100's of thousands of satisfied customers and all they really need to do is improve the product and their customer service a tad bit.Satisfied customers don't pay the bills against a triple penalty, doesn't matter how good the product is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwmiller33 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 customer service is what makes or breaks a company in a highly competitive field, such as the fishing industry. customer service can and will set a company apart from its competitors, and that competitive advantage is what a company needs to set themselves apart from everyone else... especially in todays economy. needing to "improve their customer service a TAD BIT" would probably be considered an understatement considering how mad everyone is that that one lady left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PierBridge Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 A few dozen complaining Inter-netters hardly translates to EVERYBODY and the 1,000's upon 1,000's of satisfied Lowrance customers. Yes a tad bit would work nicely. I think sometimes on the Internet we get a TAD bit overly dramatic at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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