Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

[PierBridge]

Originally Posted By: Swimbait2009

Do you really feel that TJ is an elite QB?

If he was an elite QB he wouldn't be the number 2 guy, he'd be starting and there would have been no reason to bring in Favre this year. I'm sure every T-Jack hater and supporter can agree on that. The difference is that the T-Jack haters have already come to a conclusion on T-Jack's entire career and the other side is willing to see things play out.

Look at the list of backup QBs around the league. Even starters. Elite QBs aren't exactly easy to come by and few get there over night.

Aaron

Don't bother with common sense and an open minded thought process in here. These T-Jack haters KNOW their Football matter of fact they should be running the Vikings. LOL!

[fishin58]

You guys can believe what you want and keep up the hate, because that is all you have in your argument.

[fishin58]

And just for you haters that cannot buy into the FACT that TJ is the second string QB. Maybe you should check with the NFL and there rulebook before spouting off.

NFL'S "third-quarterback" rule -- sometimes misunderstood:

Seventeen years ago (1991) the third-quarterback rule was instituted to enable teams to have an emergency quarterback available who was not on the 45-man game-day active roster, since many teams, for strategic purposes, only carried two quarterbacks on their game-day roster.

Everybody thinks they understand the NFL's "third-quarterback" rule. But do they?

The rule states that if a third quarterback is inserted before the fourth quarter, a team's first two quarterbacks cannot be used in the game at any position.

Another aspect of the rule is sometimes misunderstood. It is a coach's decision as to whether a third quarterback will be used.

[koonie]

So Rice has been healthy a 1/3rd of his time. Shanks and Berrian dropped more balls then anyone wants to admit and Berrian was hurt last year the first 2 games. So that brings us back to the Bobby and Wiggins, Koren, Mcmullen, Twill etc.....how many WR's are even still in the NFL that TJ had the luxury of using his first couple years???

So how has your patience grown thin with TJ????? He had a good preseason and he has improved every year and now he HAS the chance to sit back and watch a first ballot hall of famer for a few games. But your patience has grown thin????

On that other note, so why does TJ have his helmet on??

His improvement hasn't been that dramatic. His mechanics are still poor and we really don't know if his poise and decision making have improved from last season. Preseason? BFD! How many years do you want to give him to develop? That's the only question I would like to see you answer.

Who cares if he has his helmet on. Maybe he got sick of carrying it or sitting on it. Maybe it was to hide his tears.

[RumRiverRat]

You guys can believe what you want and keep up the hate, because that is all you have in your argument.

TJack should not even be in the league, he is horrible and does not seem to have much going on between the ears.

[fishin58]

koonie, you even said this was his year......yes rumrat...he doesnt belong in the league....get a clue..or keep the banter to yourself. He is obviuosly better then Sage and like was posted a while back he is top 5 in backups. But yet, according to you he should be out of the league....

[Jim Uran]

He's one of the top 5 back ups in the league and he's also on the list of QB's who are most likely to be recipients of a "MAN CRUSH" LMAO!!!!

[Swimbait2009]

You guys can believe what you want and keep up the hate, because that is all you have in your argument.

What do you mean all we have is hate? I have agreed with you that he's a very gifted athlete. He has proven time and time again that he doesn't make good decisions and he's inaccurate. He has a VERY strong arm, but that almost makes his inaccuracy worse! Do you have any "FACTS" that really show consistent results? Not a good 3 or 4 game stretch here or there, but truly consistent results over an extended period of time, overcoming difficult situations and positions? I don't think the evidence is there.

Mark Sanchez has THRIVED right out of the gate for the Jets with only one decent receiver in Jericho Cotchery. Chansi Stuckey is average at best and David Clowney is no better. He makes quick decisions and delivers the ball on time. Only leaves the pocket when it breaks down, not because he can't make up his mind. What is the reason for this? Better coaching/handling of a rookie? Probably a good part of it. Gifted athlete? For sure. VERY smart kid? Definitely. Yeah, it's only been three games, but have we EVER seen TJ look like Mark Sanchez this year?

Not only has Chilly mishandled TJ for several years, but TJ is also just not smart enough to make the decisions. Could he do a good job somewhere else with a different coach? Probably! As long as Chilly is here, TJ will not thrive.

As far as the 3rd QB rule goes, if Favre goes down during a game (LET'S HOPE NOT!!!) they will put TJ in to preserve the "3rd QB rule", but I would guess that the following game would see Sage starting. If TJ truly beat out Sage, he would have left him in the dust during training camp. He had lived with the playbook for the last 3 yrs, and he never pulled away from Sage at any point in the preseason. Sage didn't know the book and led the competition at points. That's pathetic! I hope we don't see this situation, but if it does happen and they go with TJ for an extended stretch, I'm sure you will remind me of this post, and I will eat my crow without sauce of any kind!

What I really want to have happen is this: We will continue to win, and Favre will stay healthy. Towards the end of the season, I hope to clinch a playoff spot early, and then we can start Favre and bring TJ in for the second half. Why? That way, we can finally find out what TJ is truly made of upstairs. He will be taking control of a rolling offense with tons of confidence. If he can't thrive under those circumstances, he never will. I hope he does well. If he does, and we decide to go a different direction, he's boosted his value.

We'll see. It'll be interesting to watch his development either way.

[Wadinator]

Originally Posted By: fishin58

That must be why he is named the number 2 and clearly beat out Sage in every fashion in the preseason.

You assume they named TJack #2 because he beat out Sage.

I assume they named TJack #2 because *style-wise* he's a "change-up" to Favre, but he will only be used in spot duty. However, when we need someone besides Favre to make a start for us, it will be Sage.

Why is your assumption correct, instead of mine?

I was hoping to hear a legitimate reason for your belief that Sage was so clearly beaten by TJ. I want you to tell me why you think TJ so clearly beat out Sage.

I was not simply 'piling on the hate'.

However, I understand if you're tiring of the debate. You've been at it for months.

Remember, I'm one of the guys who wanted the Vikes to keep TJack when all the trade talk was flying around after Favre signed. I'm not a 'hater'.

[gr8icefishinmind]

Originally Posted By: fishin58

You guys can believe what you want and keep up the hate, because that is all you have in your argument.

TJack should not even be in the league, he is horrible and does not seem to have much going on between the ears.

Another really really stupid comment that makes no sense at all! If T-Jack doesn't belong in the league then probably half the qb's in the league have no business attempting to make a team! And who are you to judge his IQ or maybe you have checked into that and know how smart the guy actually is!!!! You "haters" do seem to know it all and see the future!!

[Swimbait2009]

Standard IQ and football IQ are two different things. Football IQ is shown on the field in the decisions they make with the ball. Are you really, truly impressed with the decisions TJack makes? I'd be interested in some examples...

[fishin58]

Wad, I am gettin a little fatigued.........but just go back and watch the tape of Tj and Sage in the same O and see end results. SB9 yes it is hard to base consistency on Tj because of how Chili has mishandled him.

But, you say all that about TJ but then you base Mark Sanchez hot start and how great he is ON THREE GAMES!!! And yes I would take the jets recieving corp over our 06-08 Vikes without question.

[CodyDawg]

Fishin58,

How come you are so silent about the fact you stated we did not have an offense that is conducive to 300 yard games and that is the reason TJ hasnt ever done it then Favre does it in his 3rd game. If I remember right, you were pretty direct in you criticism of those of us who pointed at those facts. Then Favre has 2 low yardage games and you sure gloated. Then the big yardage game and silence. Why is that???

By the way, that is the crow I was talking about.

And to point to the preseason as an example of how good TJ is...is well....laughable. But what do you expect from a lineman?

[walleyes12]

I cant believe your hanging your hat of Tjacks performance in the preseason. Last Year Detroit went 4-0 in the preseason, and look how well that performance did for them in the regular season!

[fishin58]

So mighty Cody, what did you play in college? I bet you dont reply either.

Wow, a prayer put him over the 300 yard mark. Other then that you had a very dismal game by Bert. DelayS of game, illegal forward pass, 1 pick and another deflection that should have been brought back to the house.

[fishin58]

You guys just can not handle the facts!!! That TJ is number 2 and if Bert were not here he would be #1 despite having your grass is always greener, savvy vet Sage still sitting number 2 on what his third, no wait fourth team......

[RumRiverRat]

koonie, you even said this was his year......yes rumrat...he doesnt belong in the league....get a clue..or keep the banter to yourself. He is obviuosly better then Sage and like was posted a while back he is top 5 in backups. But yet, according to you he should be out of the league....

Top 5 in Backups is like finishing Second in the Super Bowl.

Tjack has shown no progress since he was drafted.

[RumRiverRat]

So mighty Cody, what did you play in college? I bet you dont reply either.

What does that have to do with anything?

[koonie]

koonie, you even said this was his year......yes rumrat...he doesnt belong in the league....get a clue..or keep the banter to yourself. He is obviuosly better then Sage and like was posted a while back he is top 5 in backups. But yet, according to you he should be out of the league....

You may want to check what I said again. Your take on what I said is pretty far off.

[PerchJerker]

Tjack has shown no progress since he was drafted.

That's a pretty harsh statement about someone who was voted NFC Offensive Player Of The Week last year.

And don't forget, with Gus Frerotte the Vikings were trailing Detroit in the 2nd half last year when Frerotte left the game and TJack came in and quarterbacked the Vikes to a come-from-behind win.

Seems like he's showing some progress????

[DHanson]

T-Jack is top 5 in 3rd stringers. Just wanted to clarify that.

[Born2Fish]

I really did not want to voice my opinion on this subject again(I had THOUGHT it died a while back), but here it goes. Favre is our QB this year. TJ is a backup(whether it be 2nd or 3rd string, it does not really matter). Favre is leading this team in the direction it needs to go. TJ has shown SOME signs of improvement, but not enough for me to praise him. Sage is.....well Sage is another story. I think we traded for him to wear a headset and make sure Favre is "happy" after each game!

[SledNeck]

We should trade TJack for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning

[fishin58]

That would be a good trade sled i wonder if they would give up a third??? Obviously it is that easy to get an elite Qb in the NFL....right haters....

[SledNeck]

you should be TJack's agent