This ones for real...... HR 45

[Muthagoose]

HR 45 - We figured this would happen...

Can also be viewed on these links. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE!

WELL, HERE IT COMES!!!!

Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:02 PM

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

Please send this to everybody on your list... this is Obama gun

control by secrecy.

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into

the House..

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009..

We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under

the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government HSOforum and type in HR

45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act

of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this "little" piece of legislation would make it illegal to

own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

..It is registered

.You are fingerprinted

.You supply a current Driver's License

.You supply your Social Security #

.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of

their choosing

.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must

be reported and costs $25

- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm

and are subject up to a year in jail.

There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a

child-access provision. Guns must be locked and inaccessible to any

child under 18.

The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are

storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine

is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the HSOforum and take your pick of

many options to read this..

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware

of this.. Pass the word along.

FAILURE TO DO SO AT YOUR PERIL!

Any hunters in your family?? pass this along.

Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630

a.m. in the morning.

He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends

about it and "spring into action".

Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle

Association, hunting associations, gun clubs JPFO (JEWS FOR THE

PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP) and especially the GOA and NRA..

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and

disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a

little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone

realizes it..

YOU MAY NOT OWN OR EVEN LIKE GUNS, but if you LOVE FREEDOM, YOU better

get involved NOW!!!

TOMORROW YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN OPTION.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

The Second Amendment... . America 's original homeland security

[carpshooterdeluxe]

tabled in subcommittee since february. OLD NEWS.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

never hurts to keep these bills in mind though.

[Muthagoose]

Quote:

never hurts to keep these bills in mind though.

Exactly right...

[JustLOVEit]

umh.. probably isn't going to go anywhere cause where are they going to find the funds to do everything listed on the bill. Weekly check up?, Monthly,Yearly? They'll probably have to start a whole new division to supervise just this.

Plus all the necessary information the bill is asking for has been required before purchasing a gun for years now.

But it's good to keep an ear out cause who knows what might get passed these days.

[Judge Smails]

That's kinda funny...I'm guessing this came from a gun rights group mass email solicitation? Those bills that never will see the light outside of a committee room or the congressman's campaign literature- sure are scary.

You'd think that they wouldn't need to do fund raising campaigns since Obama was elected.

[harvey lee]

One needs to always watch the weasels in office as they will do anything when one is not looking.

Fear not, this will come up again.

[Muthagoose]

I removed the personal intell off this reply but this should give you all new insight into this..

Of course the media is keeping this quiet...but I did email Rep. Oberstart about Hourse Bill HR 45 and got his response today from his office. Can you imagine needing a license to have any kind of gun? A complete violation of 2nd Amendment and I would wonder what criteria a license would either be denied or given? Forget socialism, this is more like communism! Throw out the Constitution, our leaders in Washington DC have better ideas!

Thank you for sharing with me your opposition to the Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act (H.R. 45). I appreciate hearing from you concerning this issue.

H.R. 45, which was introduced by Representative Bobby Rush on January 6, 2009, would prohibit an individual from possessing a firearm unless he or she has been issued a firearm license. This legislation is awaiting consideration in the House Judiciary Committee.

Rest assured that I will continue to oppose efforts to undermine Second Amendment freedoms.

As we deal with this and other gun-related matters in the 111th Congress, it is good to know that I have your support.

With best wishes.

Sincerely,

James L. Oberstar, M.C.

[harvey lee]

HR 45 is just the start to taking ones guns away.

Muthagoose, thanks for contacting someone in regards to this bill. If we all sit on our backside and do nothing, our reps will think its no big deal as noone contacted them in regards to gun control.

No joke to me at all.

[Muthagoose]

Another concerned citizen got his reply yesterday which is why I removed his emails addy. I got mine this morning.

Learned a long time ago keep at it and don't wait for others to protect your rights.

That thing aint dead its just waiting for the right power to slide in it somewhere..

Everyone who feels the same as you and me should write them repeatedly....

[pikehunter]

I don't want to stir up a pot of negativity here, but I'm curious for honest, calm opinions.

Why are we against this? Why do we not feel that people should have to submit to just a tiny amount of work to own this type of weapon? Would we not have fewer people owning guns who own one for the wrong reasons? Would it not save some lives without you, yourself, losing any rights?

Like I said, just some curiosity questions. For the record: This bill would only apply to hanguns and semi-automatic weapons that accept a clip, contrary to what Rep. Oberstar's email may have indicated.

[kitchy]

If you have the mindset to kill someone, do you think a silly law is going to stop you? I wish people would start using golf clubs as their weapon of choice so there would be a movement to outlaw golf.

[11-87]

umh.. probably isn't going to go anywhere cause where are they going to find the funds to do everything listed on the bill. Weekly check up?, Monthly,Yearly? They'll probably have to start a whole new division to supervise just this.

Plus all the necessary information the bill is asking for has been required before purchasing a gun for years now.

But it's good to keep an ear out cause who knows what might get passed these days.

Sounds like a little bit of 1939 GERMANY..

[croixflats]

I am all for gun control but to a point. This to me is way across the line.

HR 45 - We figured this would happen...

Can also be viewed on these links. http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/blairholt.asp

YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN HERE!

WELL, HERE IT COMES!!!!

Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 9:02 PM

HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009

Please send this to everybody on your list... this is Obama gun

control by secrecy.

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into

the House..

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009..

We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under

the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government HSOforum and type in HR

45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act

of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this "little" piece of legislation would make it illegal to

own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

..It is registered

.You are fingerprinted

.You supply a current Driver's License

.You supply your Social Security #

.You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of

their choosing

.Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must

be reported and costs $25

- Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm

and are subject up to a year in jail.

There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a

child-access provision. Guns must be locked and inaccessible to any

child under 18.

The Government would have the right to come and inspect that you are

storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine

is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the HSOforum and take your pick of

many options to read this..

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware

of this.. Pass the word along.

FAILURE TO DO SO AT YOUR PERIL!

Any hunters in your family?? pass this along.

Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630

a.m. in the morning.

He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends

about it and "spring into action".

Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle

Association, hunting associations, gun clubs JPFO (JEWS FOR THE

PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP) and especially the GOA and NRA..

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and

disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a

little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone

realizes it..

YOU MAY NOT OWN OR EVEN LIKE GUNS, but if you LOVE FREEDOM, YOU better

get involved NOW!!!

TOMORROW YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN OPTION.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

The Second Amendment... . America 's original homeland security

I could not find thi in the bill that you stated

Where is it located.

Must submit to physical and mental exam

[FishingWebGuy]

I don't want to stir up a pot of negativity here, but I'm curious for honest, calm opinions.

Why are we against this? Why do we not feel that people should have to submit to just a tiny amount of work to own this type of weapon? Would we not have fewer people owning guns who own one for the wrong reasons? Would it not save some lives without you, yourself, losing any rights?

Like I said, just some curiosity questions. For the record: This bill would only apply to hanguns and semi-automatic weapons that accept a clip, contrary to what Rep. Oberstar's email may have indicated.

[machohorn]

The 4th gets infringed plenty, I know.

[FishingWebGuy]

The 4th gets infringed plenty, I know.

By the DNR nonetheless

[machohorn]

Nope! police, fbi, Gang Strike Force among a few I know of.

[papabear]

sounds like you believe in rights going hand in hand with resposibility.

[machohorn]

When Gov't changes for the mass's it infringes on the rights of those that obey the law. As a motorcycle rights advocate some of the laws we have overturned/abolished have helped the mass of others. Like when bars- eaterys use to have signs stating "No colors, No leathers, we got a equal access law passed making this rule against the law. You cant refuse service because of the way I dress or look only how I act. My money is just as good as someone in a nice suite, you cannot discriminate against people with blue and red hair with 100 pieces of steel hanging from their lips etc. They work just as hard for their money as I do. Now as a avid hunterI will protect my right to bear and carry and own firearms by any legal means until owning a gun becomes illegal then I will become a criminal. period

[fishuhalik]

I've always thought it interesting that the founding fathers considered the right to bear and keep arms so important that they put in as one of the first ammendments.....

[FishingWebGuy]

I've always thought it interesting that the founding fathers considered the right to bear and keep arms so important that they put in as one of the first ammendments.....

You have to consider what was going on at the time. The king was afraid of rebellion and in Lexington no one could leave the city until everyone turned in their firearms. Everyone turned in their firearms and they still weren't allowed to leave.

The city people were disarmed first. General Gage had earlier registered firearms in Boston and then shortly thereafter he confiscated what he had just registered. He did it in the name of crime control.

Communities setup weapons caches to keep their firearms safe. They quickly realized that without weapons, they were at the will of the king and General Gage. With firearms, they could still maintain some resemblance of freedom. They believed so strongly in firearms representing freedom that in some towns fines were imposed on able bodied men who showed up to church without their muskets. The people were expected to always be at the ready to protect the community.

[pikehunter]

Thanks all. All good points. All well put.

I'm an avid hunter and own guns myself, and share the belief that our rights should be ones that are protected. I would be devastated if my ability to enjoy the outdoors in a manner I was raised to appreciate were ever infringed upon. But I'd also like to walk to my truck from my downtown Minneapolis office after dark with a little less fear of getting shot.

To answer one of the questions posted: No, I don't think a little law would keep people from killing each other. But I think it would help. And how many lives saved are enough to make you stand in line for a permit? One, three, a dozen? Maybe you feel that not one single life would be spared ... that's ok. I respectfully disagree.

I don't think ANY more guns should be taken from us, which makes it seem as if regulation is the only possble answer, a compromise from both sides of the debate that lands us far from you ever having to hand over our shotguns.

As far as the rights issue: I have many rights that are regulated by law. Some would argue that taking game from my own land is my right ... that doesn't mean I don't need a liscense to do it. Just like I do to operate my truck - only to have my personal freedoms infringed when I click that seat belt, so I don't get a ticket.

But like I said ... I see all your points as well. So I guess, my next question is this: What gun control or regulation - if any - would you support as a means to make our country a safer place?

[FishingWebGuy]

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So I guess, my next question is this: What gun control or regulation - if any - would you support as a means to make our country a safer place?

That's easy. Punishment should be such to not allow repeat offenders. You don't get a second chance at liberty.

I don't know what that punishment looks like exactly but maybe it's routine searches and drug tests after time served. Maybe it's extended sentences. Maybe it's more death row. Whatever it is, we need to do all we can to make sure violent criminals can't offend a 2nd time. Leave the law abiding alone as long as they are law abiding and only punish the guilty. Once a choice is made to be a burden to society, then you start giving up rights.

[bwana_d]

I am posting to this with some surprise and to keep it fresh in everyone's minds.

The surprise:

• That I was not aware of this until today, when a friend shared it with me.
• That this had so little discussion (relatively few posts) compared to other topics.
• That this is not a sticky under multiple subjects Hunting, General discussion, etc.
• This probably needs a new name to get more attention like Pending Gun Control Bill.
• Within the stickies it should have quick links of how to contact your congressional representatives accordingly - no matter which way you feel about subjects like this one.

What is not a surprise is that this is being attempted.

My expectation is a forum like this would have significantly more people against legislation of this nature and it is the perfect place to provide easy directions to make sure voices are heard accordingly.

Maybe we need another forum topic specific to legislation watch – it seems there is a lot going on at state and federal levels related to outdoor privileges, guns, etc. I have personally started getting more involved at multiple levels to ensure my voice is heard, hopefully as a voice of reason. I have been attending DNR meetings and providing input to rule changes that directly impact my lifestyle. I prefer that changes are made with us, that change is not done to us.

I personally believe H.R. 45 infringes on my second amendment right and has the potential to impact how I hunt. Both of which I hold near and dear

[Grum]

"When Freedom is outlawed, only outlaws will be Free"

Numerous people are killed from alcohol related incidents each day. We already tried prohibition for the solution to this problem, it got worse by giving the balance of power to the criminals. Why would we think prohibition of guns would have a different effect?

Education is the only solution. Freedom of choice always gets the best actions.