NASCAR may implement harsher penalties for blocking and aggressive dri

[L_Cappo]

whats next??? racing is racing if you cant block or be a little aggressive why bother racing??

[harvey lee]

Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

I see no need for blocking and rough driving.

[fishinchicks]

If Edwards didn't go airborn, which caused spectator injuries, this wouldn't be an issue.

As much as I can't stand Kenny Wallace, I had to agree with what he said yesterday - spinning someone out of the way to win a race isn't bad. Spinning them out and sending them airborn is bad. The speed has become an issue again, just like it did in 1987 when Bobby Allison had the same type of accident.

[LMITOUT]

Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

Because that ain't NASCAR. Drivers banging into each other with these full-body cars and tempers flying are why people are drawn to it and always have been. If you want drivers who raise their pinky when drinking bottled water from the Alps and gentlemen racing then there is F1 and other open wheel series that need fans.

They've already screwed up this sport enough with their knee-jerk reactions and the decreasing popularity is a result of that. If NASCAR keeps making these reactive decisions they're going to need fans too pretty soon. Quit messing with a successful formula that has worked for decades. Change isn't always for the better!

[harvey lee]

I would simply like to see a clean race and who is the best at racing and not who is the biggest hack. Anyone can hack their way around a track. Tempers and banging has never drawn me to the sport but the hacks and cheap shots could chase me away.

I will never understand the thinking that a driver that pounds his way around a track makes for a good race. That does not take much for skills at all.

I have been approached by many fans who say they enjoy it when we go racing and win a race and he never hits one car yet passes them all. Now thats a race.

If I wanted to see a demo derby, I would attend the county fair.

Don't now anyhting about pinkies and such.

Nascar will be just fine.

[SpitnArgueDuckClub*]

Just curious here does anyone think Brad Keselowski's last lap reaction or lack of reaction (keeping his foot on the gas) was wrong?

Also can one really expect even the best set up cars to perform perfectly while running in a pack of cars all doing 200 plus mph? I mean C'mon the cars are going to wiggle and move around with the tremendous amount of aero that occur's in a pack like that.

[tonkapat]

When the late great Dale Earnhardt crashed a guy out of the race everyone cheered. No rule changes then. If jr. crashed someone out of a race to win there wouldn't be an issue either. Want to watch good clean racing tune in to Moto Gp or Ama Superbike. Much better racing there anyways. Nasscar is a joke anyway. Don't want everyone packed up on superspeedways? Easy solution, take off the plates and see who can drive at 230mph. The plate races definately do not reward talent in any way, nor do the new cars they use.

[CPRJoe]

Kinda funny that anyone would mention aggressive driving/stiffer penalties, going into Richmond.

Should the rules be different at higher speeds? Taking someone out at Martinsville is alot different than say Michigan!!

Is it aggressive driving when you push a guy around the track like Talladega?? Or just cut him off at the finish line?

Nascar doesn't need to change a thing. My gosh look at that race Sunday. It was a tribute to all the new safety implemented since Dale's terrible crash. The COT is a tank. Newmans car withstood an incredible impact. The fence did it's job keeping the 99 on the track. The Hans defices allowed all the drivers to walk away. Heck even Edwards sprinted to the finish line. And ask Robbie Gordon about the safer barriers on the infield walls!!

It just really burned my butt that Carl Edwards was quoted as saying that "Nascar is gonna let this happen til someone gets killed." Are you kidding me? Let what happen? Idiots like you trying to cut someone off at 190 mph?? Edwards walked away from that crash because of changes made by NASCAR following tragedy.

The only change Nascar needs to make is to teach some of it's drivers how to RESPECT each other. People will get killed only if the drivers lose respect for life!

[SledNeck]

Originally Posted By: harvey lee

Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

Because that ain't NASCAR. Drivers banging into each other with these full-body cars and tempers flying are why people are drawn to it and always have been. If you want drivers who raise their pinky when drinking bottled water from the Alps and gentlemen racing then there is F1 and other open wheel series that need fans.

They've already screwed up this sport enough with their knee-jerk reactions and the decreasing popularity is a result of that. If NASCAR keeps making these reactive decisions they're going to need fans too pretty soon. Quit messing with a successful formula that has worked for decades. Change isn't always for the better!

[harvey lee]

Sounds like I am the only one who enjoys a good clean race to really see who is the best.

[Iron Cowboy]

Originally Posted By: LMITOUT

Originally Posted By: harvey lee

Whats wrong with a clean race with a skilled driver and a well set up car winning?

Because that ain't NASCAR. Drivers banging into each other with these full-body cars and tempers flying are why people are drawn to it and always have been. If you want drivers who raise their pinky when drinking bottled water from the Alps and gentlemen racing then there is F1 and other open wheel series that need fans.

They've already screwed up this sport enough with their knee-jerk reactions and the decreasing popularity is a result of that. If NASCAR keeps making these reactive decisions they're going to need fans too pretty soon. Quit messing with a successful formula that has worked for decades. Change isn't always for the better!

Originally Posted By: CPRJoe

Kinda funny that anyone would mention aggressive driving/stiffer penalties, going into Richmond.

Should the rules be different at higher speeds? Taking someone out at Martinsville is alot different than say Michigan!!

Is it aggressive driving when you push a guy around the track like Talladega?? Or just cut him off at the finish line?

Nascar doesn't need to change a thing. My gosh look at that race Sunday. It was a tribute to all the new safety implemented since Dale's terrible crash. The COT is a tank. Newmans car withstood an incredible impact. The fence did it's job keeping the 99 on the track. The Hans defices allowed all the drivers to walk away. Heck even Edwards sprinted to the finish line. And ask Robbie Gordon about the safer barriers on the infield walls!!

It just really burned my butt that Carl Edwards was quoted as saying that "Nascar is gonna let this happen til someone gets killed." Are you kidding me? Let what happen? Idiots like you trying to cut someone off at 190 mph?? Edwards walked away from that crash because of changes made by NASCAR following tragedy.

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put me in the enough changes camp. I dont like open wheel stuff where girls run without breaking a nail. Clear out the bottom rows of seats, put up a stronger fence, and as Dale sr said take off the damm plates and go race

[CAMAN]

Sounds like I am the only one who enjoys a good clean race to really see who is the best.

A good clean race is fine, but what you are asking for is not neccessarily the best driver, you are looking for the fastest, best handling car and that isn't what Nascar was built on.

The best driver IMO is someone who can take a mediocre car and bring it to the checkered flag by using the draft, forcing people out of the way (Notice I didn't say wreck them, but sometimes it unintentionally happens), pit strategy, teaming up with other drivers, and luck in avoiding the wrecks.

The races I find incredibly boring are when your so called 'best driver' gets to the front at lap 10 and stays there the entire race. He didn't have to force himself into that position, he just got there and stayed there, did he earn it? In my mind, no, he just had the best car at the beginning of the race and nobody was able to catch him...YAWN...thats not the driver, thats the car.

I hated seeing what happened to Carl this weekend just as much as you, but face it that was racing, Keselowski had a run, he went low, held his line and Carl came down trying to block him. BK never intentionally tried spinning him, Carl did it to himself. The only way for BK to have avoided that wreck would be to either drop below the yellow line and risk DQ or hit the brakes and fall 15 spots and risk getting rear ended and spun by a much faster car from behind.

Let me make this clear, I don't watch Nascar for the wrecks, I watch it because I like the strategy part of it, I like the addrenaline rush of watching 3 wide in the corner at 200mph, I like trying to figure out whats going to happen next based on the drivers personality and driving style, and soooo much more!!

If you start penalizing the drivers for blocking and aggressive driving where is the limit? "Oh no!! Kyle Busch swerved too fast to go around Stewart....$25,000", "Newman wouldn't let Jr pass him....$45,000".....wave goodbye to Nascar say hello to the soccer mom who complains because the other kids are playing 'too rough'.

[ricbak]

I agree with you harvey, but I am a firm believer that nascar has created the problem. Every single car (body) in the field is dang near identical, oh ya all the shocks-tires-springs-etc.are all the same also. To me the only difference is the manufactures engine and that is closely regulated by nascar. If Carl had the best car in the field he wouldn't of had to go down than up to block the car behind him. JMO.

[Juneau4]

I think you are 100% right.

[Fishing_Novice]

Caman, great points. I agree 100%.

[Uncle Bill]

[HOF#13]

EXCELLENT POST! My thoughts exactly.

[HOF#13]

Oh no, I do agree with you Harvey. That would be the perfect race. It's just that with the way NASCAR has these rules set with the COT and the limitations teams have on adjustments, it seems as though the races are incredibly boring or overly exciting due to the bumping and banging. So, what you end up with is races where it is very difficult to pass and you play follow the leader, or if you want to make a pass you have to get physical and use your bumper a bit. Do I like it? No. However, it's a self imposed problem brought on by NASCAR itself. I do not like the fact that they are putting the drivers / teams in this small box with which to work. We have discussed it at great length on this forum before with the changes we felt NASCAR could make to make it better. I am just very frustrated and disappointed that the people that are the NASCAR rules makers are really simple idiots at times.