The Vikings draft

[fishin58]

Again, this is the first season T was slated to play!! Good thing you didnt have faith or stock in Sages first 5 years in the NFL!!

[koonie]

Just curious when Childress said TJack wasn't slated to play until his third year.

Also you don't draft a quarterback in the second round and plan on him sitting for three years. This is just a big draft mistake that has held the Vikings back, and will continue to do so, until we draft or sign a legit quarterback.

I know you like TJack but he has very little upside at this point. He has shown exactly what he has and frankly it's not much. Can he get better? Yes. Can he get much better? No. Any improvement you see now will be slight. He's not good enough to help us get to the superbowl and he never will be good enough to help us get to the superbowl. He's good enough to win the job this year but he is in NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM the solution to our quarterback shortcomings. GET OVER IT!

[Rick]

T-Jack has never started for a full season and he did play very well in 4 out of the last 5 games last season. For the play-off game, which is the only one he sucked in, he played about like most would expect a "relative" rookie as a starting QB and who only had the last 3 games to warm up as a starter.

Is he a future solution? I don't know the answer to that anymore than you do.

Would I prefer Jay Cutler...YOU BET!!!! The Vikes are ready to win now withan established QB...which we DO NOT have right now.

[zepman]

If this is TJacks first season he's supposed to play than can you please tell me who was slated to be their q-back the last three years. That makes absolutely no sense.

[walleyes12]

Its pretty sad theres argument on whos better Sage or T-Jack! They are both career backup qbs, the vikes find themselves behind the 8-ball once again at QB! Its sad to say but Favre is the best option

[fishin58]

Zep, you would have to ask the Vikes that question. It is pretty well documented that he was drafted as a raw, project QB. Some Qbs are given the luxury of carrying the clipboard the first few year while they watch a good QB in front of them. Did the Giants give up on ELI? Did the Cowboys throw Romo to the wolves his first few years, no. Many of the coaches believe if Romo would have been put in, he would have failed miserably.

Instead he is learning on the fly, not every QB is Peyton Manning! Even Peyton had some rough patches.

[Scott K]

T-Jacks name shouldn't even be in the same page as those names, not to mention comparing them in the same post!

[Rick]

Actually Eli stunk it up pretty good for most of the first 32 games he started and he was the number one draft pick. Not a second rounder.

Everyone was saying close to the same things about Rich Gannon as they are saying about T-Jack now.

[fishin58]

Back to the Eagles bad start by T compared to the other "Pro bowl Qbs" The Eagles were playing well and it showed against ALL of the Qbs they faced down the stretch!

Jackson - 15/35 164 yds & 1 INT

Romo - 21/39 183yds & 3 turnovers

Campbell - 18/33 144yds & 1 fumble (recovered by offense)

Dorsey - 11/28 156yds & 2 INTs (plus a fumble recovered by offense)

Eli Manning - 13/27 123yds & 1 TD, no TOs

Warner - 21/35 235yds 3 INTs & 3 TDs

[Sandmannd]

You can't compare him to any of those guys Fishin58. At least they had glimers of basics. Guy over throws and under throws all the time. That's actually the only thing he is consistant at.

[FISHINGURU]

yeah come on guys don't be so hard on t-awesome!! he's still a rookie and shouldn't have even played yet...he looks really good at times and can lead this team to the promise lands!!!

[zepman]

All those q-backs you mentioned didn't play very well in the beginning of their careers because they didn't have a running game. They do now. Funny how a good running game makes a quarterback better...oh wait, that's not the case here.

[FISHINGURU]

oh come on now...not like AP can make a qb any better muahahahahahahhahahahahahaahahhaaha

[james_walleye]

How anyone can have an ounce of faith in Jackson is beyond me. In every case reguarding the QB's listed above that struggled early there were signs that they would at some time be above average QB's. Sorry but there are no signs with Jackson.

[FISHINGURU]

he has shown so little that people that like him get stoked when he does the smallest things...they get excited if he completes a pass or makes a decent pass which a normal qb does all the time.

none of it matters when he locks on 1 reciever and doesn't scan the field, can't read a defense, doesn't audible, panics under pressure of a defense and in key moments of games, doesn't have leadership, he doesn't take command of the game, no accuracy and not consistant the list never ends.

then you got the good side...he's young and mobile lol

i think we've suffered enough...time to move on

[BullFighter]

His record as a starter was 3–16

In 19 games, he threw for only 11 touchdowns with 21 interceptions!

completing fewer than 55% of his passes.

Name that QB ?

The people who want TJ to fail, are failures themselves.

let him and Sage Duke it out!

May the Hungrier QB WIN!

[koonie]

he has shown so little that people that like him get stoked when he does the smallest things...they get excited if he completes a pass or makes a decent pass which a normal qb does all the time.

none of it matters when he locks on 1 reciever and doesn't scan the field, can't read a defense, doesn't audible, panics under pressure of a defense and in key moments of games, doesn't have leadership, he doesn't take command of the game, no accuracy and not consistant the list never ends.

then you got the good side...he's young and mobile lol

i think we've suffered enough...time to move on

That about sums it up.

[fishin58]

So you mean like the romo that didnt play the first few years, because the coach even said we do not want to go there with him!

or campbell that is still struggling

Or Eli, pretty sure many New Yorkers would have burned him at the stake his first few years.

Or Warner who was a bag boy and a arena leaguer??

Wow, they sure had a lot going for them the first few years!

So tell us how this is any different then T? You cannot really tell me that the fans behind these QBS could forsee the future, like many of you arm-chair Qbs can!

[Scott K]

Eli is a bum! I don't think he is the great QB every one has him labeled as.

[fishin58]

Bullfighter, w/o looking I would say Bradshaw.

[fishin58]

Pretty sure I am wrong on my guess, but look at Brashaws first 5 years. Pretty carpy for a league MVP and owner of a few what do you call them oh yeah super bowl rings! Good thing they put him on the shelf for good after his third year!!! That would have been smart!

Passing stats

Year Team G Att Com Pct Yards TD Int Rate

1970 Pittsburgh 13 218 83 38.1 1410 6 24 30.4

1971 Pittsburgh 14 373 203 54.4 2259 13 22 59.7

1972 Pittsburgh 14 308 147 47.7 1887 12 12 64.1

1973 Pittsburgh 10 180 89 49.4 1183 10 15 54.5

1974 Pittsburgh 8 148 67 45.3 785 7 8 55.2

[Jim Uran]

It's a different league now, heck that was 40 year ago darn near. I can't believe there are people who want to see Tjack as the starter. Maybe it's just the coaching that is holding him back but he isn't who we need taking the snaps. He had his chance, he got benched early last year, came back had a few good games and then went back to his normal self.

[Born2Fish]

I can not really begin to accept that T-Awesome is being discussed this much. I know there was a point last year that EVERY SINGLE VIKINGS fan had enough with T. Sure the guy has shown SOME glimmer of hope, but the bottom line is, we are ready to win NOW not when T-Jack is ready to play. Comparing him to all those other QB's is fine, but going as far to mention his name with the likes of the Mannings, Bradshaw, Romo....He is nowhere near the caliber of any of those QB's. I do not consider myself a genius when it comes to football, but when I hear from 20 different sports personalities that Minnesota's QB situation is iffy at best, it leads me to believe that I may not be the only person thinking that T-Jack is NOT the answer. If he was, and Minnesota thought the same, why are there rumors of us trying to get Favre? Why did we sign Sage? I really do not want the Vikes to get rid of T-Jack, but he should be where he belongs.....As the backup.

[zepman]

Bullfighter, I think the answer to your question is Aikman.

TJack not being able to perform well the last two years (with 8 in the box most of the time) is like a DH in baseball not being able to hit a fastball...in a league where only fastballs are allowed. You know its's coming but you still can't perform.

[fishin58]

So just answer this simple question what would these 20 different sports personlities say about the numbers Bradshaw put up in his first few years. Please enlighten me!!

That is part of the problem in this modern age of football. EVERYBODY knows everything!!

We replaced Gus on the roster, were we sposed to roll with 2 Qbs?