The Vikings draft

[Jim Uran]

I guess I would take the qb that got me to the playoffs!!

[Badger]

I guess I would take the qb that got me to the playoffs!!

AP and the defense got you there! If you would have had a decent QB, you might have won a playoff game!!!! LOL

Rodgers vs. TJack...NO CONTEST and you know it!!!

[Jim Uran]

AP vs Ryan Grant!!!! NO CONTEST!!!!! well I guess GB vs. MN NO CONTEST !!!!!

[walleyes12]

Originally Posted By: walleyes12

I guess I would take the qb that got me to the playoffs!!

AP and the defense got you there! If you would have had a decent QB, you might have won a playoff game!!!! LOL

Rodgers vs. TJack...NO CONTEST and you know it!!!

True, but maybe if GB had a decent QB they would of got to the playoffs!

[Badger]

Rodgers vs. TJack...NO CONTEST and you know it!!!

[FISHINGURU]

WOW, have you watched either QB? That is my question, go youtube Tjack, I am sure you can see he is 10X's as mobile as Ground Sage. The only running I can think of for your glorious Sage is last year versus the Colts. Tell me how that works out again? Off the top of my head didnt her blow a 20 point lead in 3 minutes.

What Rick and I were referring too was that the D has to account for a mobile QB. Not a rock in the backfield!

On a sidenote, Miami already has dropped John Beck. Geez maybe the Vikes should pick up another great immobile QB.

keep up with the conversation rick

[zepman]

Rodgers is going to be a solid q-back in this league. I thought he had a very good freshman year...let's hope the sophomore jinx will grab on to him this year. I still think he's going to have durability issues even though he made it through last year o.k.

[james_walleye]

Wow nice personal attacks james, thats awesome. Let me know how good that makes you feel. That you cannot bring up any, yes any facts that improve your case for a 31 year old savvy vet??? grasping at games over 2 years ago....How about last year when T threw 4 tds against the NFC champions.

Grasping for games over 2 years ago LOL! This from a guy who posted Sages career stats....through 2005. No personal attacks, its just clearly obvious you havent seen Sage play so i don't know how you can even make a judgement. When i said don't know anything that was reguarding Sage.

[james_walleye]

B2fish, dont know if you followed the thread about all the experts that insist a QB should have 300 yards a game and nothing less. I could care less about yards and or QB rating as long as we get the W. Give me Rottenburger any day with one TD and 180 yards. Just get me the win.

Opener whats that?? I just come here for the football rants!!

See with Big Ben there is at least the threat that he can pass the ball. Show all the numbers you want, but the fact remains that the vikings passing game was so non-threatening last season that teams continued to pack 9 guys in the box. You can't do that against Big Ben.

I do believe an NFL QB should be able to read more than 1/3 of the field. With Sage on the field there at least would be a chance of him finding a 2nd or 3rd reciever. He'll find the open guy. With 8 guys in the box someones going to be open for Sage to find. He did that the whole 2nd half last season against the vikings. Not like looking at the first option with Jackson and if its not there you are screwed.

If the vikings are behind in a game you can have some confidence in Sage to bring the vikings back. Hes had multiple games in the last couple years in which hes thrown 3 or 4 TD's in the 4th quarter alone to bring the texans back. I mean lets face it, if the vikings are down more than 1 possession in the 2nd half with Jackson in the game its over. He absolutely cannot throw the ball against a defense that knows hes going to throw the ball. Same thing if you have 3rd and 8. At least you can have some confidence that Sage can find a reciever going through his progressions. Again, Jackson throwing the ball against a defense knowing hes going to throw it? Yeah not going to happen....

[Rick]

I have to agree that T-Jack did have issues with that a few times last year. Let's hope that issue improves.

[Jim Uran]

I beleive that's where my initial hatred of Tjack began, james_walleye you worded that better than I ever could have. He just lacks the confidence on those crucial 3rd down plays when the D knows he is going to pass. IMO, an NFL qb should be able to make those throws or find that narrow window to give his reciever an oppurtunity to make that important catch. Not a dump pass to Tahi as a last ditch effort. Tjack just can't do it consistantly. MAYBE Sage can, and I can live with giving him a shot at it.

[FISHINGURU]

did you guys watch nfl total access today? it was mostly about the vikes and favre and jared was on there....they broke down film where berrian and shanks is open all day and t-awesome never hits them...instead he throws it to the check down.

he doesn't understand what open is... his timing is terrible....if you have a guy beat by a couple yards in the nfl thats considered wide open....when u make a juke and get the corners and safetys hips turned the wrong way and u bust it inside your open....t-awesome holds the ball way to long and lets the defense always recover from being burned.

its gonna be sweet when teams have to respect our pass...they won't be able to bully sage around like they do so easily with t-awesome...sage will make them pay...people will see what we should of been able to do for the last couple years...even dinosaur gus made it look easy and he doesn't even have any skills.

people can talk about t-awesomes interception ratio all they want but its pretty hard to throw pics when u hit the check downs 90% of the time...i'd rather have a guy that has a pair and will throw it down the field to the open wr.

[zepman]

Heard an interesting stat the other day:

In games where TJack has had to throw the ball 30+ times he is 0-6 or 0-8(either way he's 0'fer). Take AP out of the line-up and I wouldn't even want to think where this team would have been the last two years with Jackson leading the way. Bottom line is, if we're down 10 points in the 4th quarter we need someone to WIN the game. Let's hope Sage can get this done.

[Jim Uran]

AMEN brothers!!!!!!!!! Great write up guru! Soon the man crush over Tjack will be no more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fishin58]

Keep patting yourselves on your back, day 1 opener is T and you know it.

[Jim Uran]

HA HA HA!!!!!! It can't be ruled out with that darn coach of ours. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[fishyguy]

Originally Posted By: leechbait

I am so UNsophisticated!!!!!

And c'mon badger don't say that, we had Gus and Tjack last year as startes and STILL won the division!!!

Yes they did win the division last year with a 10-6 record. I give them credit for doing that with bad QB's. They easily could have lost the GB game 28-27 (as bad as the Pack played they could have won with a missed FG), Detroit 12-10 (Detroit!!!), New Orleans 30-27 (game was handed to them), Giants 20-19 (Giants rested their starters).

The Packers defense was decimated by injuries last year. Cullen Jenkins missed 12 games, Nick Barnett missed 7 games, Al Harris missed 4 games, Atari Bigby missed 10 games.

I laugh at people who say Rodgers sucked last year. It wasn't his fault they had a 6-10 season. 28 TD's, 13 Int's, 4028 yds and a rating of 93.8% is pretty good for his 1st year starting. The Pack lost 7 games last year by 4 points or less, those losses were primarily on the defense.

The Vikings clearly need a QB. If they sign Favre and he's healthy, they will be the favorite in the NFC.

Funny how your spin can change the look at things. You say you could have easily beat us the second game but for a missed field goal. I say we should have blown you out but for 3 turnovers. The bottom line is to win games. I have never heard a Packer fan apologizing for a win regardless of how it comes. Isn't part of being a good team being able to find a way to win even when you play poorly?

What? The Pack were the only team with injuries? Excuses. Yes, they had injuries but who didn't.

The one thing you said that made sense is that yes, Rogers is a good quarterback.

[Badger]

Fishguy - The purple should have blown the Pack at out at the dome, but turnovers are part of the game. As a purple fan you had to feel fortunate to get those wins over GB, Detroit, New Orleans & the Giants. Of course, you probably think the Vikes should have been 12-4 or 13-3.

I never said the Pack was the only team to have injuries (don't read things into posts that aren't there). Every team loses players each year, (some get hit harder than others).

It didn't make sense that I said the Vikings need a QB?? Good luck with Sage & Tjack. (IF) the purple make the playoffs, they'll be one & done again! Sharper & Birk are gone, and Pat Williams isn't getting any younger. Running backs typically have 3-5 years before an injury hampers them. I predict they'll run AP into the ground.....then they'll get a good QB.

I wonder why Birk wanted out of MN? Did he want to go somewhere that had a legit shot at a championship?

At least you had the acorns to admit Rodgers is a good QB!

[fishyguy]

Badger,

Turnovers are part of the game. Now that is two things you said that made sense today. But I am having a hard time following your logic on the Vikes wins. It seems your are just trying to find fault with any win the Vikes had. Turnovers are what kept the Vikes from blowing out Detroit in a game, kept them from blowing out the Pack, and cost them some other games. The Carolina game turned on Winfield's fumble return. Arizona got off to a horrid start by turning the ball over twice early. Jacksonville turned the ball over 5 times to us. Gosh, combine those with the New Orleans game and the games you mentioned and you kind of have a hard time finding a Vikes win where they weren't just flat out lucky. Wow...we probably should have been the team to go 0-16

Yep...everyone has injuries and if you list them out for the Vikes and most teams you will find the Pack were not decimated much more than others. I think the Vikes missing Henderson for 13 games, Udeze for the season, Hicks for 4 games, Farwell for the season, Madieu Williams 5 games, Pat Williams 2 games, plus a few others, isn't a whole lot off of what the Packers had to deal with. So I guess my point is I am not sure what your statement about the Packers injuries had to do with anything if it wasn't to justify, at least partially, their record.

Oh wait, now that I think about it, Pittsburgh should probably give back the Lombardi Trophy. If it wasn't for that stupid pass by Warner and improbable return by Harrison they wouldn't have won the Super Bowl. Lucky SOBs.

[james_walleye]

Thats what your response is to the last couple posts reguarding Jackson and Sage? Not much for you to say really is there.....

[FISHINGURU]

Take AP out of the line-up and I wouldn't even want to think where this team would have been the last two years with Jackson leading the way.

it would of been so horrid even with a real good defense we probably would of only won a couple games....it goes to show how bad t-awesome really is...he has a tough time passing when teams know we are gonna run lol....defenses laugh and put 9 in the box almost every single play every game and we still can barely pass the ball.

goes to show how good AP really is....you got a whole defense lined up with 100% of their focus on you every single play and still leads the league in rushing and punishes people...people can try to hate on him for fumbles but thats gonna happen when you have a whole defense trying to stop you and rip the ball out...he definatly doesn't look to avoid contact.

atleast tarvais bundy once threw 4 td's in one game though!!!

[fishin58]

http://replay-re-cutter.nfl.com/clip.aspx?key=305CACEAE8A8E5C4&ctx=date&type=image

that is all for the day. watch and enjoy

[Badger]

Badger,

Turnovers are part of the game. Now that is two things you said that made sense today. But I am having a hard time following your logic on the Vikes wins. It seems your are just trying to find fault with any win the Vikes had. Turnovers are what kept the Vikes from blowing out Detroit in a game, kept them from blowing out the Pack, and cost them some other games. The Carolina game turned on Winfield's fumble return. Arizona got off to a horrid start by turning the ball over twice early. Jacksonville turned the ball over 5 times to us. Gosh, combine those with the New Orleans game and the games you mentioned and you kind of have a hard time finding a Vikes win where they weren't just flat out lucky. Wow...we probably should have been the team to go 0-16

Yep...everyone has injuries and if you list them out for the Vikes and most teams you will find the Pack were not decimated much more than others. I think the Vikes missing Henderson for 13 games, Udeze for the season, Hicks for 4 games, Farwell for the season, Madieu Williams 5 games, Pat Williams 2 games, plus a few others, isn't a whole lot off of what the Packers had to deal with. So I guess my point is I am not sure what your statement about the Packers injuries had to do with anything if it wasn't to justify, at least partially, their record.

Oh wait, now that I think about it, Pittsburgh should probably give back the Lombardi Trophy. If it wasn't for that stupid pass by Warner and improbable return by Harrison they wouldn't have won the Super Bowl. Lucky SOBs.

I listed 4 games that the purple should feel fortunate that they won. Where did I say anything about finding fault with ALL of their victories?

If a team gets turnovers by creating them that's one thing...(forcing a fumble by a hard hit, stripping the ball from a QB etc.).

When a back drops the ball without being hit, the QB fumbles the snap, a receiver lets a ball bounce off his hands into the arms of a defender, a punt is muffed etc.) that's different.

As far as the purple injuries...Henderson is a solid player and big Pat is a pro-bowler (he missed 2 games)! The rest of the guys you mentioned don't compare with the talent of the Packers players I mentioned. Yes, losing those guys did have big impact on Green Bays record. SOME TEAMS GET HIT HARDER THAN OTHERS EACH YEAR WITH THE INJURY BUG!

I never referenced anything about the Super Bowl game.

Oh yea....the Vikings still need a quality QB.

[FISHINGURU]

that video shows exactly why t-bundy isnt very good

[james_walleye]

good to see he has 5 nice plays a game.....