North Dakota Fighting Sioux (name the new team name)

[89Bronco]

Fighting Swedes, or Fighting Norwegians.

I'd say Fightin' Finns for myself, but I don't think that many Finlanders settled out there.

[yakfisher]

How about we just change the name to Custer's Revenge. Then we'll see what really upsets the PC crowd. I have said since day one that if it is offensive to use one groups name as a mascot then using any groups name is offensive the NCAA can not pick and choose. Besides you if the name is so offensive why can I whip out my credit card and buy Sioux merchandise directly from the NCAA HSOforum?

[Dotch]

Quote:

---

Fighting Swedes, or Fighting Norwegians.

I'd say Fightin' Finns for myself, but I don't think that many Finlanders settled out there.

---

Actually there are a fair amount of Finns in that Rolla-Rock Lake-Armourdale-Bisbee-Agate area. Oops! Almost forgot Calvin, Egeland and Clyde! How do I know? I used to live on the Finnish Reservation east of Rolla. Maybe we could compromise and name them the Scrappin' Scandihoovians. Maybe alternate mascots between Sven, Lars, Ole and Toivo.

[DEADhead]

Quote:

---

Maybe alternate mascots between Sven, Lars, Ole and Toivo

---

what, and leave out poor Hjalmar?

[so haaad]

The UND Almost Minnesotans.

[fishlips]

Quote:

---

Siouxage

---

Funny, Dan...but you seem to be missing the point. We're discussing a new team name for North Dakota, not the 0 and 4 Gophers....

[Scott M]

An oldy but a goody.

The Pioux?

[broodwich]

Why not the UND fighting Nazis, wasn't the great Engeldouche a sympathizer?

I have a list of other potential names:

fighting rwandans

fighting Hebrews

fighting slaves

just because you put fighting in front of it doesn't make it right. Do the right thing and change the freaking name already.

[walleyeking]

The only thing I have to say about the issue, is that if the tribes don't want to accept the respect of having a school named after them, they should no longer be offered free tuition. While we're at it, let's legalize gambling in ND, open some casino's in GF, Fargo, Bismark ect...

[broodwich]

First off, if this was an issue of respect then the name would have been the Fighting Lakota. Secondly the statement about free tuition is ridiculous, there is academic standards to meet for those who get it. I can't say the same for the (Contact Us Please) atheletes who get a full ride. Third, the tribes faced many hardships due to lack of income so they opened casinos to generate revenue, now you want to take that away also.

Think about it this way: I really like your home, so I march in and take it from you and your family. Then as to show "respect" I put a plaque of you and your family outside so the rest of the neighborhood could remember you. Not only that but I convince the neighborhood that your removal was necassary.

Your all educated so why is it so hard to understand that the name needs to be changed. America prides itself for ending the holocaust, but ignores and belittles our own removal of a race. It might be a name to you but it was a way life for others.

[Roofer]

Same thing happened in Monticello. Used to be the Monticello Redmen. That got yanked and now they are the Magic. The majority always has to sooner or later give in and bend over. No different than the smoking laws in bars. Now the majority has to stand outside. What a government we have here that always lets the minority(meaning lower % of population) get their way.

Nobody here took anything from anybody. It's just an excuse to get what they want. It's almost worse than lobbyists.

If we want the same rules for everyone, I'm all for it. Let's start right now. If we did, there would be ALOT of late taxes from the things all of our ancestors did.

Not starting an argument, just stating facts.

[broodwich]

Minority getting their way? (Contact Us Please)! Thats not even the case here. Maybe UND should keep the name but pay the tribe royalties. Then both the "majority" and "minority" (which was so ignorantly put) can be happy. Think of it this way if the majority of people in america wanted you removed from this country then does that mean you have no rights? The sad thing about all of this is the half truths and whole lies, this topic has done nothing but spark racism. I'm actually disappointed that so many (the majority) are this closed minded, it saddens me because whether you like it or not your teaching your children this garbage and that means I have to try and explain to my children why others are so intolerant.

[Roofer]

In this situation, the whiners are the anti's against this name for whatever reason. I don't believe it is a race thing. For me it is about every bleeding heart getting what they want from our government that we finance.

I hope everyone's children get the opportunity to learn the truth.

I wonder when they will change the name of Redman chew? How about the native shooting the star on the tootsie wrapper? I don't feel that any of these names or pictures puts down anyone. If anything, it is the opposite.

Being open minded does not mean telling other people or organizations what to do.

[DEADhead]

Quote:

---

The majority always has to sooner or later give in and bend over. No different than the smoking laws in bars. Now the majority has to stand outside. What a government we have here that always lets the minority(meaning lower % of population) get their way...

...Not starting an argument, just stating facts.

---

Since when does a 20% portion of the population (i.e. smokers in MN) equal a majority? You're either a smoker or a non-smoker, so if only 20% of Minnesotans smoke, then 80% don't smoke. Seems to me that the 80% (non-smokers) are in the majority. All the data on smokers I found ranged between a 20% national average to an 18% Minnesotan average. What source did you get your facts from?

IMO, trying to base an argument over who should have more power/rights the majority or the minorty is slippery slope. I realize that majority-rule is a major principle of democracy. However, the US is considered a representative democracy, where minority rights are often protected from what is sometimes called "the tyranny of the majority".

Part of the reason why this country is so great is the freedoms we allow our diverse population and that persecution of minority groups, for the most part, are not allowed to occur. If we followed the true democratic model of majority-rule, slavery among other things, would probably still be in existance in this country, and all persons of middle eastern descent would have been locked up after 9/11.

If the Lakota peoples are against the name fighting sioux, let them be heard. Just because a majority of the population may think it is ok to have the name, doesn't necessarily make it kosher. Let's respect one another.

[Roofer]

You may be correct with the 80/20 smokers/non smokers for the population, but go to a bar and see how the ratio is.

It could be that 75% of the people don't even go out.

Also, why should a voice be heard that is not contributing.

When I win at the casino, I pay taxes. If we all lived under the same rules, I would see it a different way.

Maybe the Washington Capitals should reconsider their name and their logo. What about the Redskins? Eagles?? Pirates?? Steelers??

I'm surprised the animal rights activists aren't all over these names.....bears, lions, Timberwolves (protected)

Like I said, bleeding heart liberals.

[Bryce]

Not sure what the name change will really accomplish. As an alum and Fighting Sioux letterman, I will always cheer for the Sioux no matter what the name. They may change the on campus atmosphere in a few years after the name change but have they really accomplished that much?

[DEADhead]

Quote:

---

Not sure what the name change will really accomplish. As an alum and Fighting Sioux letterman, I will always cheer for the Sioux no matter what the name. They may change the on campus atmosphere in a few years after the name change but have they really accomplished that much?

---

probably not, but then the university can focus on other issues like recruiting and campus development and improvement. I have to imagine that the whole name change issue is draining resources away from other programs within the university, even if they may be only administrative. For instance, I'm sure they could use their energy from the name change issue towards their push for D-1 atheletics.

[Team Otter]

Just to simplify things, perhaps they would consider this for their new team name:

The Walton's