Is that legal

[Nutty Fisherman]

Do they still homestead the cabin? Also do they have a AZ. drivers license or a MN? If they still have a MN. they should be able to buy a resident one.

[DTro]

that's scary, we posted at the same time with nearly an identical reply

[Quackaddict9]

oh boy muddog didnt say anything about youngsters can catch and keep all the fish any time of the year.

[Muddog]

What I'm saying is. A < 16year old can do thing to learn about the outdoor. If they are fishing and catching Bass it is 99.9% luck. There using lures they used last year and they are working. I know very few < 16 who can take Bass home clean them, cook them and eat them. It's a game to them and it should be. The last thing a < 16 needs is some old strange guy spazzing out over a fish. Becase in the end it is just a flipping fish.

The one thing I don't under stand is why there are live wells on most boats. The only time I ever use mine is in turneys. Most people don't fish turneys so what do they use them for? Once in the live well you can't or shouldn't throw them back and when you leave the lake they must be dead. I know dead fish floting in the dead well for the drive home is not a good way to keep fish. Just skip the live well and put them on ice to start with. Turn the live well into storage.

Or is OK to break this law becase we know what we are doing!

[TeamNSO]

It is illeagal to INTENTIONALLY target any fish during a closed season, and in my mind rightfully so: Other states have no closed season and SOME, not ALL go out and come in nightly with buckets of spawning pike and eyes. That is legal for them: In the state I am referring to, there is also no "Freezer" limit so as long as you obey a daily limit you can do it each night! I am very thankful that MN has laws to prevent this. HOWEVER, someone throwing spinnerbaits this time of year, is probably targeting bass; HOWEVER there is not an attorney or law out there that can prove "intent" and that my friends is what it comes down to: I have fished with guys during the summer for bass, that threw such goofy concoctions, they should have never seen a fish (from what I have been taught) yet they do well: Some just don't know what to use for crappies: I am not defending that practice by any means; but a simple "try this", or "the crappies have been hitting this"...can help people learn: There is no way to prove intent, therefore people who choose to throw spinnerbaits and say they are tryign for crappie, really only know in their minds if they are ethical:

Just my $.02

[fishingmike0770]

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If they are fishing and catching Bass it is 99.9% luck. There using lures they used last year and they are working. I know very few < 16 who can take Bass home clean them, cook them and eat them. It's a game to them and it should be.

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Im only 15 yrs old and would have to say that i and a lot of others my age do know what they are talking about and you shouldnt just asume that. A lot of young anglers do take their time, learn fish patterns, make decisions on what approach to take in certain situations. It is sort of stereotyping the young anglers out there who do study up on this art, based on a few kids that dont take the time. Dont mean to sound harsh but it just struck me as kind of a diss.

[Ole the Guide]

Here's something to think about:

How many States have year around open season on all species compared to States with closed partial seasons like MN? I sometimes wonder why we don't adopt a C+R policy after ice out until say, June 1rst (except panfish).

Here's a direct quote from the first page of the South Dakota Fishing regulations guide Book regarding Walleye mortality in the spring:

"Why isn’t the fishing season closed in the spring to protect walleyes during the spawning season?

It is a common belief that preventing large walleyes from being kept by anglers during April will result in more small walleyes being produced during a year and more large walleyes being present in a lake. This is not the case. Protecting walleyes of spawning size during the spring does little to increase the likelihood that a lot of small walleyes will be produced or to increase the number of large walleyes in a lake for the following reasons:

In South Dakota, a shortage of walleyes of spawning size has never been documented.

Even a small number of adult walleyes can result in a lot of small walleyes being produced.

There is no relation between the number of spawning-size walleyes and the number of young walleyes produced.

The number of small walleye produced each year is mostly related to spring weather conditions, water levels during the spawning season, and the availability of suitable spawning habitat.

A higher percentage of walleyes longer than 18-inches is kept during April than during other months, but harvest of larger walleye is highest during the May-July period, when fishing pressure is highest.

To really protect fish of spawning size, they would need to be protected during the May-July period, when the majority of them are harvested."

I'm not sure if I agree with this or not. I'm from MN and I rarely have fished SD so I'm not an authority on this subject. Maybe some of you may have solid info on this.

Maybe a spring C+R program would generate more income for our baitstores and the fishing industry.

I just though I'd throw this out for discussion.

Meanwhile, we have 10 more days before we can get out some of the big amo.

Regards,

Ole

[muskybuck]

Call the tip line, call the tip line. You guys really go overboard with this.

There is a big article in the latest issue of Crappie magazine about Jimmy Houston using spinner baits to catch large crappies. Not small spinnerbaits either.

I think if people called tips as much as is said on this site the DNR would be swamped with needless calls.

[riverrat56]

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If they are fishing and catching Bass it is 99.9% luck. There using lures they used last year and they are working. I know very few < 16 who can take Bass home clean them, cook them and eat them. It's a game to them and it should be.

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Im only 15 yrs old and would have to say that i and a lot of others my age do know what they are talking about and you shouldnt just asume that. A lot of young anglers do take their time, learn fish patterns, make decisions on what approach to take in certain situations. It is sort of stereotyping the young anglers out there who do study up on this art, based on a few kids that dont take the time. Dont mean to sound harsh but it just struck me as kind of a diss.

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Right on man, Im 16 and i was thinking the same thing, I spend my time patterning fish and i know where they will be on a certine time, and how to catch them, although i know there are lots of kids who don't. Don't lump us all into that category please.

RR56

[Matt Breuer]

muskybuck, I saw a similar article recently. I throw crankbaits for crappies, does this mean that I'm bass fishing? Not tiny cranks either, the same ones I use for walleyes and bass. I think many people emphasize the use of tiny baits for crappies way too much! Up here I've caught them on a shiner jigging, on a small sucker minnow, as well as big beatle spins and cranks. Big baits sometimes equals big crappies!

I too see this every year, people fishing a back bay with a spinnerbait. Just ask them, "Are you bass fishing?" If they say yes, tell them it's illegal. If they continue, then call TIP!

Early season panfish anglers do and will catch bass. Especially on a crappie minnow in shallow. I'd say more bass than the guy throwing a spinnerbait.

I'm not saying it's right, and if someone is indeed breaking the law they should be punished, but we need to know the facts!

Also, kids can't be pinned like that! A lot of kids are great anglers, and some have a lot more time than older folks to fish and learn a lake/patterns.

On another note, everyone should learn the law. If someone is going out bluegill fishing, they should have read the laws regarding bluegills before doing it! There's a reason we all get regs when we buy a license!

Just my .02

[Muddog]

Though for sure some one would catch me on this one.

If you are 16 and under you can transport fish that are alive. You can keep pan fish and small LG and small mouth Bass alive at home. Page 18 of 2005 Fishing Regs.

So the laws for 16 and under are differant. I wonder why They would let the 16 and unders get by with it and not people over 16. Or maybe the DNR thinks that kids should have FUN in the great out doors.

I do agree that a Man or Woman throwing a spinner bait or crank bait in an area known to be a Bass bedding area is using very poor judgement and shows a lack of discipline. Not to mention it's against fishing laws. A stiff fine would be in order.

Myself, I would much rather see kids shore fishing rather then hanging out at a street corner. Even if they might catch the oh so important Bass once in a while.

How many Bass fishermen are going to hit those Bass beds on Bass opener.

Maybe I'm nuts but when it comes down to it. I think the kids that were shore fishing were far more important then the Bass.

[TheJester]

I think Ole has made some good points. I would like to see more research on this issue. Someone once told me that there is only like 10 states that have closed seasons. South Dakota is open and their Walleye and Perch populations have been doing great. From March to bass opener I feel like there alot of wasted daylight. If the season were to stay open I think more people would be eager to get out there and fish, travel, and spend $$$. Like Ole said maybe a catch release season work as well. But like I said I would like to see more research. I feel the DNR is stuck on the way it is now, so if we really wanted to do something we should contact our state representatives.

Just a guys opinion

You walleye guys have fun in 9 days!!!

[Cliff Wagenbach]

Muskybuck,

If you ask almost any DNR officer, they will tell you that no TIP call is ever considered a waste of time !

Many of the biggest game hog busts were made because of tip calls!

Cliff

[NE angler]

We are open all year long here in NE and as far as hurting the fishery a NE Game and Parks person had in article in IN-Fisherman last month that stated that they see no ill effects of fishing during the Walleye spawn. His point was that the walleyes have other things on there mind at that time and they are not actively feeding and not as easy to catch - most catches are snagged by floating baits. he would actually like to see the season close for a time in the post spawn period since that is when you can do the most damage on them since this is the easiest time to catch them - very actively feeding. Many of our lakes have slot limits or are catch and release only on certain species. I know that with the opener, MN brings in millions of dollars that weekend. Would having it open all year round bring in the same amount of dollars? That is the big question that is hard to answer but I have a feeling they do not want to change the season and have it blow up in their face. I myself enjoy the tradition of the opener but yet I do not live in MN anymore so I can fish anytime here in NE So that is a tough one. See you in 8 days!

[deeky]

Please please please do not wait until your children or others that you fish with are 16 to start enforcing the rules! If you wait until then, IT IS TOO LATE!!!

I work with children ages preschool through highschool and let me tell you, there is a very clear difference between those who have always been held accountable and those who have been dismissed as 'just kids'. The patterns of following expectations (rules) begins developing around the age of two, if not younger, and is well set by their first few years of elementary school. Other than the occasional miracle, if they don't develop it then, the pattern has been set and never will change.

I am not advocating being a hard a$$ about it, but hold them accountable and leave a little room for forgiveness and moving on to the future.

Mike and Riverrat - I am making an assumption here, but from what you have written, I would guess that whoever you fished with began teaching the rules, ethics, etc. very early for you guys and you are not the type we are questioning here.

Please don't wait until they are 16, I've seen way to many 10 year olds already have much of their potential lost because they "are just being kids".

[guideman]

There are one or two things missing in your state to state comparisons. First of all, most states that have no closed season, also have very little natural reproduction. Minnesota on the other hand counts more on reproduction than stocking.

The other thing is fishing pressure, our lakes at least the good ones, get pounded every year. Look at the number of walleye anglers in NE, compared to Minnesota...there is no comparison. There are plenty of fishing opportunities in Minnesota that

you can take advantage of during the "Off" season

if you look for them.

Put and take fisheries can be managed differently than fisheries that survive from spawning. Even though the walleyes in NE go through the motions in the spring, very few if any actually spawn.

The MDNR is responsible for the excellent fishing we have right now, based on good sound scientific

fisheries management. Why anyone would want to go and change that is beyond me.

"Ace"

[luv2fish]

Seems like the issues are getting mixed a bit. This was started as a "is it legal to do this" thread. And I think we are agree it is NOT legal to target fish that are out of season. But it has spun into 2 disticnt topics. 1. Are kids held accountable to the same laws. 2. Should the season ever be closed.

I will not comment on 2, since I clearly do not know enough about this to weigh in. But as long as the law stands, I have to follow it.

As far as the kids one, I have to throw in my .02. I have 2 sons, 1 and 3 year old. My 3 year old LOVES coming to the lake with me, and asks tons of questions. I do not feel I am doing my job as a father and a sportsman to not educate him correctly on the laws within our sport. I was taught everything I know by my grandfather, and he did the same with me. Teach them all you know, and teach them right. There are bigger lessons here too that you are teaching your kid. You are teaching them right and wrong, good and bad, you are creating a responsible citizen for the future. So to summarize. It is not the fact the they are catching "oh so important Bass once in a while". It is more important that we teach our kids about the laws, and whether we agree with them or not they need to be followed.

OK, I am off my soapbox now. Good luck all!!! Anybody having any luck on WBL with the crappies???

luv2fish

[Muddog]

My point is. Is it not legal for 16 and under. Or is it Legal.

It's not like driving a car. It's Kids fishing. If you don't have a driving permit you can not drive. If you are under 16 you can not drive with a permit with out a 21 year old. If you are under 16 you can fish all by your self with no permit! I think some of you are having a hard time telling the two apart.

When you turn 16 you most have a permit to fish and in having this permit you most follow the rules. Or you will loose your permit.

I do think if you are going to talk about rules and say your teaching. Maybe you should know the rules.

These other states do have Bass reproducing in there waters. It is very easy to take a male Bass off a spawing bed while it is guarding the eggs. In fact it will hit what ever come close.

I like the hoop la that gos with the opener. It remindes me of Christmass. It makes me feel like a kid again.

I will not be back to respond to other post. I will how ever look into this. I do understand what ALL of you are saying and I agree with you.

I wish you all good fishing on the openers and that your fish are to big for your live wells.

Now let talk fishing.

[tashit]

When I was 13-16 or even younger, I knew where to target certain species and what baits worked best. I also cleaned my own fish. Just because you are young does not mean it is luck, at least not any more luck than an adult. I am fortunate enough that my dad taught me how to fish at a very young age. My biggest walleye ever was when I was only 7 or 8 years old.

I also don't think just because you're throwing a "spinnerbait" means you're targeting bass. I've caught many many crappies on beetle spin type lures and they are towards the top of my list for crappie baits in the summer.

I don't think the season should be open year round, even if it is C&R. That would ruin the excitement of opening weekend.

[BassManDuluth]

I agree, spinner baits are an excellent way to catch crappie. I usually troll a beetle spin in deeper water in the summer until I get a slab crappie, then go back and hit the school with minnows and jigs. When you don't know the lake it is a sure-fire way to find 'em. Running my 'bass boat' does not mean I am after bass. Using a beetle spin does not mean I am fishing bass.

I use my live well all the time. I like to keep the fish alive and fresh when I am out all day and kill them just before the day is over. I can see how a cooler might work though.(Although it might give my beer bottles a fishy smell).

[ps70mlf]

ive been fishing since i was old enough to bike to the river. if i read it is about fishing and if im watching tv its usallly a fishing show. Just because kids are throwing spinner baits aint always cause its luck. maybe they know something you dont. Try talkign to them you might learn something. Ive fished wiht many many adults who dont know what the H*LL they are doing. but if an adult would be seen throwing a spinner bait during the closed season you would think they are poaching maybe they just dont know what they are doing either. try talking to some of the people before your sterotype people