fishyguy Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Wadinator,I respect your concern as a parent and wish every parent was as involved and concerned about their children as you seem to be. That said, I will respectfully disagree with you on the whether Randy is a role model. He may be idolized or worshipped by many children and adults alike but it is not his responsibility to teach anybody's child right from wrong. It is sad that he can't be a role model and continues to make a spectacle of himself but that is his choice and those around him or affected by him make their choice how to deal with him and his antics. There is a difference between admiring talent and admiring the person. Does Randy Moss make parenting tougher? Absolutely. Is it his responsibility? No. My opinion and certainly no judgements on anyones relationship with their child but this is a debate that has gone on since Charles Barkley first said he was not a role model. The disagreements have gone on since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wadinator Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 The debate seems to be the definition of a role model. From m-w.com (Merriam-Webster Online): Main Entry: role modelFunction: noun: a person whose behavior in a particular role is imitated by others Will my 11 year old imitate the behavior of Randy Moss in a particular role (like his antics on the football field after a touchdown, his careless attitude off the field, etc...)? Heck yes he will, unless I'm darn certian he understands that Moss's behavior is unacceptable for a kid playing high school football, or for an 11 year old playing a pick-up game at the park.Kids look up to Moss, and will imitate him, whether he likes it or not. His athleticism is a gift. He should realize that the price of that gift is his responsibilities to his young fans that adore him because of it. I make sure to bad-mouth Moss's antics and praise his athleticism every chance I get when I'm around my son. I hope that way he'll learn to only admire Moss's athleticism and not his behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratosman Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Back to the predictions... I say Vikes 23 Eagles 20, we should have won the first game, except Duante fumbled going into the end zone and that T.O touchdown catch shouldn't have been ruled a catch, put Mcnabb and staff on the shelf for a month and with no T.O. in the lineup, I say we have a better chance than I thought we did last week, and look what happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishyguy Posted January 14, 2005 Share Posted January 14, 2005 Wadinator, The role model definition does not mention positive or negative behavior that is imitated, which means Randy is a role model and explains my incorrect thinking that a role mode is only a positive influence. I think our only disagreement is the responsibility that you believe comes with his talent. I am not saying I don't wish all athletes were the kind of people we would want all kids to grow up to be, I just don't expect them to be. Again, kudos on being an involved parent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Turner Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 If the team that trounced the Pack last week shows up, the PA team had better clear the cobwebs out early or the Vikes got a solid chance. Win or loose...lets hope for a good effort. GO Vikes!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greebs Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 It's amazing what one week will do for the fans. I don't know if last week was an aberration or what, but how can you forget the month of December that the Vikes had and what their recent record is playing outside on grass? By the way, Philly beat the Pack 47 - 17 earlier this season. It's one of those cases where I can't say I'd be 100% surpised if the Vikings win, but on the other hand, I'd expect to see a Vikings team that more resembles the December team rather than last week's team. They need to jump out to a quick start or it likely won't happen. For some reason, the Vikings are a team that depends on emotion for their wins and they need to get that emotion going right away in their games or they are in trouble.Oh yeah, since this thread is about predictions, mine won't be popular but it's Eagles 34 - 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kato811 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 it all depends on witch vikings team shows up if its the one that beat green bay they can win but if the one that played the 1st 16 games shows up there in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kato811 Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 im pulling for them though id love to se them make it to the big game (think of the fun you can have with the packer fans then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcutter Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 IF the vikes can run the ball at a 4-5 yd clip per play and mix in a Daunte 7-9 yd run with the given passes to wig, burl and moss, I see the vikes scoring 27 points at the max.comes down to the def giving up less than 27phily 27- vikes 26 on a akers FG.you won't find a bigger Vike fan than me, but the def in the last 2:00 is huge.too go to next week,,,, philly 24, falcons 16at least the packers are packing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIvers Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 Two minutes to go in the first half--nothing is going the Vikings' way. Bad luck and sloppy play have put the Vikings down by 14 right now. Thomas's interference on third down gives the Eagles the chance to score their first TD--how many times have we seen that this year? Then that Eagle fumble for a TD--99% of the time the defense would recover that for a touchabck. What do you do when breaks like that go against you? Then that Charlie-Fox of a fake field goal--I don't know where to begin on that joke. Now the Vikings just lost a review of a fumble recovery that would have given them the ball inside Eagles' territory. I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles now go down and add to their 21-7 lead. If the Vikings are to have a chance, they have to play better defense in the second half, and finally have some breaks go their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIvers Posted January 16, 2005 Author Share Posted January 16, 2005 Quote: For the record, I pick the Eagles 27-14--that is what my head says. Hurray for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wadinator Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Finally, this miserable season is over. Hopefully the Vikes will make some serious coaching and defensive changes in the off-season.Now for the next game of the day and the biggest game of the weekend... Pats 34Colts 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Eyehunter, nice prediction!! My prediction was 27-17 Eaglets... I guess my crystal ball didn't account for our botched fake field goal attempt.I thought that the Colts would win and boy was I wrong! I guess i'd have to say the Patriots are the team to beat after that dominating perfermance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIvers Posted January 17, 2005 Author Share Posted January 17, 2005 Quote:Eyehunter, nice prediction!! My prediction was 27-17 Eaglets... I guess my crystal ball didn't account for our botched fake field goal attempt.I thought that the Colts would win and boy was I wrong! I guess i'd have to say the Patriots are the team to beat after that dominating perfermance. It is interesting that in each of the last two Vikings games, someone on this site picked the final score correctly. In my case, it was mostly dumb luck, mixed with a little educated guesswork. I mention this because in picking the exact final score of an NFL game correctly ahead of time, I have done something the New York Times sports page has failed to do in thirty years and over 3000 NFL regular season and playoff games! Since the early seventies, the Times has issued predictions for the exact scores of every NFL game played, and has never once gotten it right. Too bad that as far as football goes, that is the best news of the day for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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