Wheel house bathroom question - separate exterior door?

[mnbuckhunter]

16 minutes ago, nofishfisherman said:

Looks like that front bunk won't be able to be a jack knife couch give that it will block the door when folded down.  After seeing the design I feel like its going to be cramped when you start adding more people to the house.  You may technically be able to sleep 5 but I don't think you'll want to.  

 

Yeah it will definitely be in the way.  The couch won't be the full 8' long so won't be tight up against the door if it was out as a bed but there'd be minimal space there.  I could probably try and find something more closer to 6' which would give more space around the door.  The trailer dimensions said 70" in front of wheel well so maybe I could turn it and figure something out that way but that'd be short beds then.  It would only be used as a bed once or twice a year I'd guess so I'm still kind of liking it.

 

The other side would have a 30" top bed and a 30" bottom bed that has a 30" 2x2 platfrom as well that would pull out and rest on braces on the wall to make a 60" bed but would only be out when sleeping.

[rl_sd]

Have you thought at all about chained bunks over the wheel wells?

[mnbuckhunter]

30 minutes ago, rl_sd said:

Have you thought at all about chained bunks over the wheel wells?

 

I hadn't I guess, something worth considering.  Any experience with them?  Initially it seems kind of like an awkward place for them.

[rl_sd]

2 hours ago, mnbuckhunter said:

 

I hadn't I guess, something worth considering.  Any experience with them?  Initially it seems kind of like an awkward place for them.

It isn't ideal, but they do provide sleeping room while keeping the floorplan open. I for one and not a big fan of having holes in the center of the shack... too much change for droping stuff. If you stuck w/ the standard 30" mattress, you could stack them on top  of the rear bunk and save a lot of room. I added a 3rd bunk in my 6.5' wide house and I store the mattress on the back bunk. I made the bunk out of 1" aluminum tubing and it works awesome.

 

 

[mnbuckhunter]

Question - I was up on LOTW the other weekend and saw a lot of wheel houses with portable pop-up houses sitting right by/behind them.  What do most people use those for when they're by their wheel houses?  Fishing out of them?  Storage?  Anyone out there do this?

[nofishfisherman]

56 minutes ago, mnbuckhunter said:

Question - I was up on LOTW the other weekend and saw a lot of wheel houses with portable pop-up houses sitting right by/behind them.  What do most people use those for when they're by their wheel houses?  Fishing out of them?  Storage?  Anyone out there do this?

 

A lot of them get used as the bathroom for the weekend.  You could easily do the same in your situation and get rid of the bathroom in the house all together.  There are of course draw backs.  The portable will be colder and probably not as nice of a set up overall for the job at hand which makes the late night trip even more unpleasant.  

 

There are also some benefits to going this route.  Its saves space in the house and maybe a little cheaper to build the house depending on what you do with the space you save.  If you're in a portable away from the house a little you also don't have to worry about someone from inside the house pounding on the wall yelling at you to "quiet down in there" while you're in the attached bathroom processing last nights chili.  

[mnbuckhunter]

2 hours ago, nofishfisherman said:

 

A lot of them get used as the bathroom for the weekend.  You could easily do the same in your situation and get rid of the bathroom in the house all together.  There are of course draw backs.  The portable will be colder and probably not as nice of a set up overall for the job at hand which makes the late night trip even more unpleasant.  

 

There are also some benefits to going this route.  Its saves space in the house and maybe a little cheaper to build the house depending on what you do with the space you save.  If you're in a portable away from the house a little you also don't have to worry about someone from inside the house pounding on the wall yelling at you to "quiet down in there" while you're in the attached bathroom processing last nights chili.  

 

A bathroom was what we initially thought

 

You're chili scenario is exactly why I was thinking about an exterior door! 

[nofishfisherman]

14 hours ago, mnbuckhunter said:

 

A bathroom was what we initially thought

 

You're chili scenario is exactly why I was thinking about an exterior door! 

 

In that case a portable set up about 50 yards down wind of the house is probably the best option.  

[Mike89]

2 hours ago, nofishfisherman said:

 

In that case a portable set up about 50 yards down wind of the house is probably the best option.  

 

ya can always go with no bean chili!!  but then that's no fun!!!

[mnbuckhunter]

After seeing the 16 ft.  Y - Angler Edition layout - I'm leaning towards no exterior bathroom door and going with something more like this layout.  At least the bathroom would be the furthest away possible.  Maybe you could build in an exhaust fan?

 

 

 

[rl_sd]

On 2/28/2020 at 3:00 PM, mnbuckhunter said:

After seeing the 16 ft.  Y - Angler Edition layout - I'm leaning towards no exterior bathroom door and going with something more like this layout.  At least the bathroom would be the furthest away possible.  Maybe you could build in an exhaust fan?

 

I like it..... but (as always) have a few question/comments:

 

• It seems like you still have A LOT of sq ft dedicated to your bathroom area
• Are you going to  run any sort of oven/stove top?
• Seems like your wheelwells protrude in quite a bit... For layout purposes I would go 10" max
• There are probably better places to get storage space without cutting into your bunk room. An 8' wide house is only going to have between 7'5"-7'9" depending on what you use for studs and wall covering.
• Are you set on having a direct vent radiant heater? You would gain a lot of room (and have better heat in my experience) with a fan forced unit, but that's my opinion (I have experience with each).

The planning process is the fun/frustrating piece. It looks like you are using sketchup, which is what I used as well. I changed configurations 100 times, but in the end I am glad that I used CAD to "visualize" options. The only thing that I would have changed would have been to put in a rear booth instead of a bunk... which can still be changed. Here is the one that I did. PM me your email address if you would like the model. I know that we have to different size and shape shacks, but you might be able to reuse some of the components.

 

 

 

 

[Wanderer]

@mnbuckhunter

 

You should consider putting a fan powered roof vent in your bathroom space.  Probably the cheapest and easiest way to go.

[Hawg]

Side wall vent, putting any hole the roof of a fish house is a bad gamble. Heck, they haven’t even figured out skylights in real houses yet. Wanderer is right about a vent though, it’ll pay for itself in the Fabreeze you won’t need. 

Edited March 4, 2020 by Hawg

[Wanderer]

@Hawg

 

I thought about mentioning the side vent option too has long as he’s building his own.  Could get the fan closer to the source!!

[mnbuckhunter]

On 3/3/2020 at 3:15 PM, rl_sd said:

 

I like it..... but (as always) have a few question/comments:

 

• It seems like you still have A LOT of sq ft dedicated to your bathroom area
• Are you going to  run any sort of oven/stove top?
• Seems like your wheelwells protrude in quite a bit... For layout purposes I would go 10" max
• There are probably better places to get storage space without cutting into your bunk room. An 8' wide house is only going to have between 7'5"-7'9" depending on what you use for studs and wall covering.
• Are you set on having a direct vent radiant heater? You would gain a lot of room (and have better heat in my experience) with a fan forced unit, but that's my opinion (I have experience with each).

The planning process is the fun/frustrating piece. It looks like you are using sketchup, which is what I used as well. I changed configurations 100 times, but in the end I am glad that I used CAD to "visualize" options. The only thing that I would have changed would have been to put in a rear booth instead of a bunk... which can still be changed. Here is the one that I did. PM me your email address if you would like the model. I know that we have to different size and shape shacks, but you might be able to reuse some of the components.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your reply. Here are a few of my thoughts:

 

It seems like you still have A LOT of sq ft dedicated to your bathroom area

Are you going to  run any sort of oven/stove top?

-My thought was 1... I'm a bigger guy, and 2... it could also be used for storage. Augers etc. I was thinking just a stovetop either above or beside the wheel well next to the heater.

 

Seems like your wheelwells protrude in quite a bit... For layout purposes I would go 10" max

There are probably better places to get storage space without cutting into your bunk room. An 8' wide house is only going to have between 7'5"-7'9" depending on what you use for studs and wall covering.

-For the wheelwells I just went by what the trailer manufacturer said there was between them. They said 63" between the wheel wells. So I went with (96-63)/2=16.5" per side. 

For the back bunk I went with 80" bunks I think which is plenty long and then left space for some storage shelves. I added the extra storage on the side because my thought was I'd add a slide out platform on the bottom bunk that could sit on some side 2x2s which would double the width on the bottom if needed.

 

 

Are you set on having a direct vent radiant heater? You would gain a lot of room (and have better heat in my experience) with a fan forced unit, but that's my opinion (I have experience with each).

- Yeah I'm torn on this and go back and forth all the time on this one. I like the idea of having a power free option. Plus a blower could be added. My old house had a forced unit and the turning on and off during the night was a little annoying and would occasionally wake me. This is still up in the air for sure.

 

 

Yeah the 3D app is pretty cool and is really neat to help see it all visually. I'm not very good at it but enough to get an idea of what it would shape up to be. I'll shoot you my email address. Thanks!

 

 

[mnbuckhunter]

On 3/4/2020 at 8:00 AM, Hawg said:

Side wall vent, putting any hole the roof of a fish house is a bad gamble. Heck, they haven’t even figured out skylights in real houses yet. Wanderer is right about a vent though, it’ll pay for itself in the Fabreeze you won’t need. 

 

I like that idea. Anyone put one of these in before? What kind of fan system did you use?

 

[mnbuckhunter]

Has anyone ever thought of a setup like this (shown) with a center bench?  I know it cuts into the center floor space some but it looks like it may open up some more fishing space.  2 guys could be back to back and fish the sides and a 3rd could also sit on the end and fish the center of the house.  It could be used as a bed then too.  Plus it separates those back holes.  Thoughts?

 

 

Edited April 1, 2020 by mnbuckhunter

[Wanderer]

Make it removable but I can see some potential there. 

[mnbuckhunter]

1 hour ago, Wanderer said:

Make it removable but I can see some potential there. 

 

Removable, good idea.

[rl_sd]

What about making a moveable dinette? Make the two booth freestanding (and light) so that that can me moved wherever you want. 30" wide is prob all the wider that you would go. just a thought?

[mnbuckhunter]

If I did this layout, and put a direct vent wall heater on the wall next to the door, but my propane tanks were on the bathroom side of the V-front, what is the best way to run the LP line from one side of the house to the other?

[rl_sd]

Come into the house w/ your line right and the tank and bring it up towards the V and back down the other side of the house. I would not suggest burying it in the wall, but instead running it along the baseboard. You are using rubber hose, not copper correct?

 

[Hawg]

rl-sd is right,  I went one step further and covered mine with aluminum angle just for extra protection. 

[mnbuckhunter]

On 7/6/2020 at 9:35 AM, rl_sd said:

Come into the house w/ your line right and the tank and bring it up towards the V and back down the other side of the house. I would not suggest burying it in the wall, but instead running it along the baseboard. You are using rubber hose, not copper correct?

 

 

Yeah makes sense. I was thinking rubber hose. How would you run it across the door? Just along the base and cover it with a threshold?

 

[nofishfisherman]

The down side of making that bench moveable is that you lose some ability to store gear in it.  If its a permanent set up you could build it with a flip top that could store a ton of gear.  If you want it moveable you'd want to limit how much you store in it.