Tony Stewart

[CaptainMusky]

I think you got the fatal flaw opposite ...... personally can't imagine .....Tony not reacting, and a bigger stretch would be to say he would not. Thats what Tony does. Thats what people like about him, myself included. Of course no one knows for sure, and no one is saying he tried to run over the dude. ....

what exactly would tony be reacting to? The kid didn't hit him. So what would warrant a "reaction" ? If the roles were reversed then I think the "reaction" argument would apply but not in this case.

[pushbutton]

Really? You got the little tyke hot wheel racer crashed out of the race in an incident involving Stewart , then running down the track trying to show Tony he has a big pair and his displeasure. Then you have Stewart either .........showing him his bigger pair but miscalculated in the big ball contest........ or simply did not see him till the last moment. Again, you can't prove it but the first certainly seems more probable.

[CaptainMusky]

That's speculation that he reacted that's my point. There is nothing in that video that shows me that he did. Other drivers who race these vehicles have said the same thing. LMIT implied he DID react. I am suggesting he did not. There is nothing at this point that says either so its speculative at best. Hence the flaw.

[pushbutton]

Sure, everything is speculation at this point., and trying not to get sucked into a semantical argument, but geez, what I see on the vid coupled with Stewarts history, have no problem believing that Stewart was going to try to spin some dirt on the kid.

There is a great Japanese movie/play called Rashomon that shows how 3 different people can view a single event with three completely different interpretations .....and I think this well applies.....except that of course mine is always right

[CaptainMusky]

Lol I was thinking the same thing.

[BuckSutherland]

Buck stated--Looks like murder to me. He hit the accelerator and then ran him over with a swerve. I believe that was on page 1.

I didnt ask anyone to agree or disagree with me and I am entitled to my initial reaction. I watched it 15-20 times. The first guy goes by and has no problem seeing the guy out on the track. Then comes Stewart, hits the gas pedal and takes the guy down. Not trolling just my viewpoint. If you were driving down the highway and did the same you cant get out of it just because you "couldnt see the person" or "he was wearing dark clothes." If Stewart couldnt see him he never belongs in a race car ever again. Never EVER met a person that tries to avoid pedestrian contact by hitting the gas.

Like I said. Just my OPINION and I think there was negligence on Stewart's part. Also not saying what the kid did was right.

[upnorth]

That's speculation that he reacted that's my point. There is nothing in that video that shows me that he did. Other drivers who race these vehicles have said the same thing. LMIT implied he DID react. I am suggesting he did not. There is nothing at this point that says either so its speculative at best. Hence the flaw.

The only thing that isn't speculation right now is Ward is dead because Stewart ran him over.

[LMITOUT]

[PierBridge]

Quote:

And all those on the other side of the fence will defend Stewart no matter what.

How about this.

What if the roles were reversed and Ward ran Tony over and killed him?

I believe Ward is jail and charged already.

I believe some of the tunes we are hearing would be quite a bit different. No I know they would be.

Lets not kid ourselves the Nascar EMPIRE including fellow drivers and certain media are going to do everything they can do to protect Tony who is one of their top cash cows along with there lively hood here.

Oh and stop patronizing us with quotes like, those of us who have raced or those of us who understand racing know that Tony did nothing wrong here talk.

Plenty of knowledgeable people have the same skepticism as some of us here do based on Tony's entire career and common sense.

Lastly when are we going to hear from Tony?

As soon as his lawyers get the best talking points and excuses down I suppose.

Some of which are pretty pathetic.

Like he couldnt see, he trying to keep his tire temp up, he swerved to miss him, it wasnt his car we heard throttle up, he lost control.

Ill hang up and listen to the EXPERTS who have raced or understand.

[upnorth]

If the steering only by throttle and brakes were valid you could never pull off the 4 wide crowd salute, you think they could pull that off steering only by throttle a brakes?

[jigginjim]

They can steer under low power. plus steering helps to pitch cars in start of corners. These cars only have 3 wheels with brakes. Plus I would think a guy getting out of the car before safety crew arrives is not a good plan. He could have still gotten in tony's face after race if anything walked up a put a knuckle sandwich on the beak.

[upnorth]

I don't think anyone has said Ward getting out if his car was the best plan. But if every time someone did something dumb they got killed wouldn't be a whole lotta people alive today.

[MN Musky]

Has to be a candidate for the Darwin Award. Walk out and pick a fight in the middle of a racetrack with cars going 100+ mph. Cars designed for speed at the the top of the list above all else. You lose that bet more often than not. BTW , I barely know who Stewart is.

[LMITOUT]

It happened under caution so they weren't going "100+ mph".

[CaptainMusky]

Considering they idle at 35 to 45 its conceivable they were going at least 45 though.

[BuckSutherland]

Considering they idle at 35 to 45 its conceivable they were going at least 45 though.

Really??? Seems very high to me. I watch the races at Arlington weekly. They can idle under twenty. I have seen a JD 4020 pull away from them.

[LMITOUT]

Considering they idle at 35 to 45 its conceivable they were going at least 45 though.

If they idle at 35-45 then that means they were going at least 35mph, not 45.

Sheriff's statement:

The race was under a caution at the time of the incident and Povero said Stewart was going about 30 to 35 mph when he hit Ward. “There are no foregone conclusions made at this point,” Povero said.

[CaptainMusky]

I didn't say he was going that fast when he hit him.

I don't know how these compare to what you see at Arlington. I do know it was a 410 which is the big wood model so what you saw at Arlington may or may not be the same. Not familiar with those races.

[MN Musky]

Sorry. Looked fast to me on video. other than the video, i know zip about about driving around in circles. I still think he was a dumb donkey picking a fight with a car.

[pushbutton]

i know zip about about driving around in circles.

[PurpleFloyd]

[Uncle Bill]

Yup, so now we know all about the car.

What do we know about the driver ?

That he is a hot head, inclined to impulsive bursts of violent anger....

The kind that could lead to someone getting hurt...

Or worse ?

[CaptainMusky]

"From what I saw, Tony did everything in his power to turn down away from Kevin to avoid him," said sprint car driver Cory Sparks.

Sparks was just a few cars behind Stewart during Saturday's race. He said videos that have been posted online do not give an accurate picture of what happened.

"People say that they heard the engine rev up and he gassed it. In a sprint car, the only way to steer is you steer with the rear wheels as much as you do the steering wheel. In my opinion, what he did was he gassed it to turn down away from him," said Sparks.

[LMITOUT]

In other news, dirt track racers are falling all over themselves to make excuses for their idol Tony Stewart, most of which conflict with the excuses they made two days earlier.

[Sifty]

"From what I saw, Tony did everything in his power to turn down away from Kevin to avoid him," said sprint car driver Cory Sparks.

Sparks was just a few cars behind Stewart during Saturday's race. He said videos that have been posted online do not give an accurate picture of what happened.

"People say that they heard the engine rev up and he gassed it. In a sprint car, the only way to steer is you steer with the rear wheels as much as you do the steering wheel. In my opinion, what he did was he gassed it to turn down away from him," said Sparks.

There now you have a statment from a driver that was THERE.

Lmt why would this guy be falling all over Tony?

You really think hes going to put this guy in one of his cars????