E15

[Walleyehooker]

I see some stations are starting to carry it. What are your thoughts?

[givetoget]

I may try it to see what it does to milage. At 15.5 mpg on a 2013 ford XLT 5.0 v8 on non eth. we will see what it does.

[Ryan_V]

good for farmers, but will raise the demand for corn, raising the price of said corn, and more habitat acres of crp etc, will be lost to the plow..... but that's a discussion for another forum! regular gas for my vehicles

[Whoaru99]

good for farmers, but will raise the demand for corn, raising the price of said corn, and more habitat acres of crp etc, will be lost to the plow..... but that's a discussion for another forum! regular gas for my vehicles

By "regular" do you mean E10 or non-oxygenated premium?

[delcecchi]

I may try it to see what it does to milage. At 15.5 mpg on a 2013 ford XLT 5.0 v8 on non eth. we will see what it does.

where do you get non ethanol gas to put is said ford? Thought all gas for highway vehicles had to be E10 in Minnesota.

[LMITOUT]

I may try it to see what it does to milage.

It will go down.

[Whoaru99]

I may try it to see what it does to milage. At 15.5 mpg on a 2013 ford XLT 5.0 v8 on non eth. we will see what it does.

[delcecchi]

Does the non oxy nozzle fit in the filler pipe? I recall at one time they went to a small nozzle and a restrictor plate to prevent this very thing. Did that go by the wayside?

[LMITOUT]

Doesn't appear any different that I've noticed.

[Macgyver55]

From my perspective it doesn't pay to run non-oxy premium in something just to get "pure" gas. The additional cost of the non-oxy premium, at least around here, is more than the hit you take on fuel economy with E10.

Not to mention leaded fuel does a number on a catalytic converter!

[Whoaru99]

Weren't the restrictors in the filler neck when there was still a choice between leaded and unleaded at the pumps?

Well, actually, the restrictors are still there. It's just there aren't many large nozzle gas pumps left to block unless, maybe, you're trying to put in avgas or some other specialty gas that still has some lead in it.

[Whoaru99]

Shouldn't hurt the cats. It's still unleaded, just no ethanol in it.

[LMITOUT]

What catalytic converter?

[delcecchi]

Not to mention leaded fuel does a number on a catalytic converter!

No leaded fuel sold in USA so far as I am aware.

[Macgyver55]

No leaded fuel sold in USA so far as I am aware.

Admittedly my earlier remark was a brain fart as I was thinking leaded instead of non-oxygenated, but you can most certainly still get leaded fuel if you want to pay the price for avgas.

Lots of racers and hot-rodders still use it as well as many small private plane owners.

[delcecchi]

Interesting, I didn't know that. But none

at gas stations for sure.

[Whoaru99]

FWIW, last time I bought 100LL AVGAS it was $5-something per gallon. And, even though it's called "low lead" it still has lots of lead in it. Another FWIW, 100LL AVGAS is roughly equivalent to 105 octane pump gas (R+M)/2.

[Capt. H (Ret.)]

Your right on the mileage dropping. It takes more gas (BTU's) to burn anything with ethanol.

[Capt. H (Ret.)]

So do you fly an airplane?? If not why are you using avgas??

[Whoaru99]

Your right on the mileage dropping. It takes more gas (BTU's) to burn anything with ethanol.

Not disputing that mileage drops, mathematically it will, 2-3%, at E10 level. But, to claim 10% or more as some do is saying that not only does ethanol contribute nothing, but actually deducts from the potential of the gas. As mentioned earlier, even if you took out all the ethanol from E10 you'd still get no worse than 90% of your economy, and that's only because you'd not have a gallon left, you'd have only 9/10s of a gallon.

My skepticisim comes with some of the numbers I've seen people claim. 10%, 15%, 20% or more in some cases. I say baloney. One might have gotten that much less mileage for some reason, but that reason wasn't E10 in and of itself.

[Whoaru99]

So do you fly an airplane?? If not why are you using avgas??

High compression, off road experiments.

[Scott K]

Ethanol gets 35% less economy then straight gas.

So if you are getting 30mpg with straight gas, that would mean you would get 19.5 with straight, 100% ethanol.

E10 is only 10% ethanol, so that would mean you would get roughly 28.95mpg with E10 with the same car.

I use to burn 108 octane aviation fuel in my mud truck, wich was about 20 years ago. I paid $7 per gallon then, and my mud truck would burn about 10 gallons in a 100 foot run through the mud(which lasted less then 5 seconds), but that would include about a 5 minute warm up, and babying it back to the pits afterwords. They wouldnt pump it into your cars gas tank, and they would only sell it to me in 100 gallons at a time. I havent checked since, so I am not even sure you can even get it any more publicly. My last year in it, I switched to ethanol, since it was much cheaper to run, and easier to burn with a blower on it. But after burning up the engine a couple times, before figuring out the correct jetting to use, I got out of it, mostly because of a baby on the way.

[Pistol Pete]

When I owned a flex fuel truck I could put in 1/2 e-85 and and 1/2 regular (10% ethanol) and still get the same milage as straight regular. I know quite a few others that did that and are they had the same results. Is that why they put in blender pumps?? For what its worth corn prices are down, and down a lot. Who would you rather see get paid for gas--- a farmer who spends his money to boost our economy or a country over seas that hates us??? That should open a can of worms... Try the E-15 in your car/truck. Check it a couple times. Thats the only way you will know for sure. I would assume every car/truck is a little different

[Whoaru99]

Don't know the exact reason for blender pumps. My guess is they're mainly to allay fears of (or maybe appease) people who don't want an all or nothing approach between E85 and E10.

Could be a purely marketing/sales tactic too. If all you offer for beverages is in either a 2L or an 8oz bottle perhaps you're missing a large part of the market that thinks 2L is too much and 8oz isn't enough. So, you have 16oz, 20oz, 24oz and 1L bottles too.

[Pistol Pete]

When I found out I could run e-50 and get the same milage as regular and get it 30-35 cents a gallon cheaper why run e-20? Maybe every car is a little different and therefor if you check which blend works best for you car you have the option to do it.