Manziel Debate

[DrJuice1980]

Great in-depth article by Dean Jones at iSports Times. Haha, digging deep these days huh Big Dave? Find a recent article, and maybe when defending Manziel you should find ones that don't compare him to Rex Grossman and RG3. Haha. Kiss that Johnny Football fat head good night for me Big Dave. Haha

[creepworm]

Then why can't the more mobile QBs complete more passes???

Accuracy issues. Seeing johnny football leads the NCAA in accuracy, which no other mobile qb has done, he can't be compared to a strictly mobile qb.

[DrJuice1980]

There won't be 8 guys in the box defending Manziel in the NFL creep.

[LMITOUT]

Draft QBs in the first round for the next 6 yrs until we get one that works. Who are you Matt Millen?

The alternative is do nothing and wait for this mythical Mr. Perfect you think will just come along and fall right into the Vikings laps while logging 3-13 records year after year. Who are you? Leslie Frazier?

Rinse.

Repeat.

What a fool.

[Hester]

I hate to defend Lmit, but at least he is going out on a limb and picking a QB he thinks the Vikes should draft. A QB will not just fall in your lap, you need to pull the trigger on a guy that has a shot at being a franchise guy. Jonny FB definatly has that chance of being the guy. Some how the Vikes thought Ponder had that chance. The problem was, the vikes tried it and waited to long to pull the plug on him.

[DrJuice1980]

Blow away a bunch of 1st rounders trying to find the next Peyton or Brady. Nice idea. If winning the Super Bowl were that easy those 2 would be dueling for it every single season and there would be a large talent pool to choose from. Not always the case. Football is the truest TEAM sport, you need more than one player. I wouldn't expect you to know that though. Anything that requires more than a copy/paste or plagiarism is over your head. A pass play is simply the QB throwing a ball to a guy in the open. That about sums up your knowledge level for the game of football and it proves by the videos you post. If your goal is to become the biggest joke on here you've succeeded. You seriously know Jack squat about football.

Sad attempt at a comeback. Really though, you didn't let me down because I have very low expectations for your input.

LMITs takes:

Rinse.

Repeat.

What a fraud

Waiting for the next Manziel video to pick apart and get your dobber down.

[zepman]

There won't be 8 guys in the box defending Manziel in the NFL creep.

There most certainly will if a Mr. Adrian Peterson is in the back-field...count on it!

[LMITOUT]

You seriously know Jack squat about football.

Your ignorance is astounding, yet each time you post you take it to another level.

Bravo.

[LMITOUT]

I swear Big Dave and LMIT make love to their wife's thinking about him, well probably not LMIT, he's married to his keyboard.

Are you married? I have a tough time believing you are since you probably spend all of your time staring in the mirror telling yourself how great you are. It probably sounds something like: "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you". But, judging by the PM's and emails I get with your name in the subject line the perception is actually "D: None of the above".

[DrJuice1980]

Am I suppose to be scared away from calling you out now? What, you got that staff badge and it's just fine for you to go around calling people puke stains but if I did it oh no, we need to talk about this juice character. Give me a break. You want to know when you've lost the argue ment? When you resort to scare tactics.

Way to go Stalin!

[CaptainMusky]

But, judging by the PM's and emails I get with your name in the subject line the perception is actually "D: None of the above".

PMs from who? Your alternate usernames? Are all of you middleschool girls? Wow, impressive that gossip gets "handled" in PMs. What a bunch of children.

BTW it isnt Rocket Surgery to think the Vikings NEED TO and WILL Draft a QB in this draft. The question becomes WHERE. I would HATE to pick JM with a top 5 pick. I would HATE ANY of these QBs in this draft at that pick. BUT, later 1st Round and in the second I think there are plenty of guys you can take a chance on and "find out" if he is the franchise guy.

You guys better brace yourselves, because I am quite sure Ponder isnt going anywhere. Neither of the other two QBs will be on this roster next year IMO. Least likely Cassel. After being passed over several times and basically flat out told Ponder and Freeman were the "options" for starters, there is pretty much no chance he will want to come back. Which is too bad, I like the guy, I just dont think he gives us a decided advantage over Ponder to win.

[DrJuice1980]

Oh and no, I am not married. Been in a relationship for 5+ yrs though. I don't need a document to make me feel secure.

Knowing that you get PMs and emails about me makes me feel important. Doggonit, people like me.... You just made my daily affirmations meaningful.

[fishersofmen]

Are you married? I have a tough time believing you are since you probably spend all of your time staring in the mirror telling yourself how great you are. It probably sounds something like: "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and doggone it, people like you". But, judging by the PM's and emails I get with your name in the subject line the perception is actually "D: None of the above".

LMFAO! This thread continues to produce.

[LABS4ME]

I love reading this thread every day! It's like being a Dad again without having to turn and say to the children... " Don't make me stop this car!"...

Good Luck!

Ken

[DrJuice1980]

There won't be 8 guys in the box defending Manziel in the NFL creep.

[muskiemanAD]

Football is a team game, however don't kid yourself that if the Vikes draft the next Luck, Rodgers etc they will be right back in the mix again. Look at the Pack with no Rodgers they are terrible, put Rodgers on that terrible team and they are a Super Bowl favorite! Same with Indy, 1st pick in the draft and in playoffs next year because they have a stud QB! That is what this league is, a QB league, nothing more!

[DrJuice1980]

We'll then end up looking like the Cowboys, put up big numbers only to have the other team put up bigger. Get it?

Rogers, Peyton, Brady, Brees, Romo, Luck, Wilson, Rivers, Manziel.

Which one doesn't belong?

Definitely not a hard question to answer.

[LABS4ME]

Im a Packer fan... they are in no way a Super Bowl favorite even if Rogers never got hurt. I said in the beginning of the year that the D is too weak to be a true playoff team. Not that they would not have made it to the playoffs, but you will not go far if your D cannot stop another team's offense. Losing Rogers just exposed how horrid the D is because there is/was/has been little offense generated. Defense wins Super Bowls.

Good Luck!

Ken

[DrJuice1980]

Defense keeps the offense on the field, Offense keeps the Defense off the field. Without both you don't stand a chance. You are correct, defense wins championships because the offense has more time to figure things out. Some guys on here lack the brain power to comprehend that (LMIT).

[Big Dave2]

Defense keeps the offense on the field, Offense keeps the Defense off the field. Without both you don't stand a chance. You are correct, defense wins championships because the offense has more time to figure things out. Some guys on here lack the brain power to comprehend that (LMIT).

Then how do you explain the Packers being 5-2 with Aaron Rodgers and then 1-1-4 without?

Don't get me wrong, it's great to add pieces to your defense as you go and shore it up but in the NFL the QB is the most important position and adding a piece here and there to a bad defense will never get you as far as adding 1 quarterback.

[LMITOUT]

"Defense wins championships."

Yeah, twenty years ago.

For someone who believes they know everything, you're sure out of touch with reality.

[DrJuice1980]

The Pack have a -61:00 in time of possession since the injury. Before the injury it was +28:00. In 7 games that Rodgers was QB they only held the ball for 28 more mins than the opponent. The QB/Offense does help the Time of Possession stat but not as much as the Defense when it comes to getting the O back on.

Pretty big swing.

If my post that you replied to did not answer your question then maybe this does.

When's the last time you heard "We need to get the Defense back on the field"

Never.

[DrJuice1980]

"Defense wins championships."

Yeah, twenty years ago.

For someone who believes they know everything, you're sure out of touch with reality.

39 out of the 47 superbowl losers only put up 21 (1TD every 20 mins) points or less. I'd say Defense won those games.

Since 1993, 10 losing teams were held to 17 points or less.

Who's out of touch with reality?

[LMITOUT]

Oh, I see, we just ignore the regular season and playoffs now.

[DrJuice1980]

How condescending of you.

So you're the kind of guy where "Division Champions" and "Conference Champions" matter?

Prove that you aren't a fraud, please.