Manziel Debate

[CaptainMusky]

Numbers don't lie. Remember you rely on them because manziel is a superstar because of his right?

I have it all broken down in a spreadsheet in the same number of games they were eerily similar.

So, if you have the best RB in the game you are going to pass the ball? BOX

[Nick Kuhn]

Nice to see Manziel's single game records at A&M held up for less than a full game after he left the school.

[FISHINGURU]

Rex Grossman, looking to pass JM up on that depth chart. Haha.

Now THAT would be Gross MAN!!

The thread started as Foosball was gods gift of QB's and compared to the best of the best, now it changed to all he has to be is better then Teddy.

What are the stats for Teddy vs Foosball round 1?

[CaptainMusky]

My distaste for manziel isn't completely his fault but partially the media dump storm. I mean seriously he was 6 for 17 with a fumble (loaf of bread carrying BTW) and they honestly said on NFL network " did JM's great performance tonight have the brown a questioning having hoyer start"? Are you kidding me? You can't even make this dump up!

[Juan Grande]

I have to admit I was laughing at how they spun his performance on ESPN. I guess he threw a ball that a 5 year old could have picked and the guy missed it. Then he scrambles and hits Burleson for 20 yards and they act like he threw the game winner in the Super Bowl.

It's never dull when he's in the game, gotta give him that.

[DrJuice1980]

Rex Grossman is twice the NFL QB JM will ever be. I don't know what he'll have to figure out, his game just doesn't transition. He won't start a game unless it's for an injury and the seasons over for the Browns.

[greebs]

I have my doubts on him being consistently successful but have little doubt he will get his chances to start. A 1st round draft pick is going to get his chances at some point.

[icehole10]

It appears Merril Hoge has voiced his opinion about JM and it ain't looking good!!

Hoge: Manziel a 'juvenile punk,' will turn out like Tebow

SEP 04, 2014 5:28a E

Plenty of NFL analysts have questioned whether Johnny Manziel can succeed as a pro. Merril Hoge has taken that doubt to another level, though.

The former NFL running back isn't afraid to voice his opinion as an ESPN analyst, and he didn't hold back when discussing Manziel on Wednesday morning. Hoge ripped the Cleveland Browns' rookie quarterback to shreds during an appearance on a Pittsburgh radio station.

"If you're the Steelers' defense (playing Cleveland in Week 1), you want No. 2 (Manziel) to walk out on that field," Hoge said on WDVE-FM. "You want him on that field. He has no business being on the field right now."

Hoge made headlines for his brutally honest scouting reports of Tim Tebow after the Heisman Trophy winner was drafted. Now Manziel is in Hoge's cross hairs.

"When I was doing the draft and I was going through and studying him, I actually got done and it was the first time other than Tim Tebow came out and I was like, 'God, there is nothing —€” nothing that he does — that transitions to the National Football League,'" Hoge commented. "There's not one skill set that he had that you're like, 'Gosh, he's a first-rounder.' Really, nothing."

Hoge also tore into Manziel's character for the quarterback's reported text to the Browns on draft night.

"When he texted the Browns and said 'Let's wreck this league,' that didn't just burn players; it infuriates coaches," Hoge said. "It told you, too, that he's a juvenile punk. He was like that, and he's still like that."

It sounds like Hoge isn't very optimistic that Manziel will be able to turn things around.

"This will be the saddest, quickest ending we have seen in quite some time," Hoge said. "It'll be like a Tim Tebow (situation)."

Manziel didn't take the Tebow route in reacting to Hoge's criticism, but he was diplomatic nonetheless.

"Stuff pops up on my phone and I happened to see something," Manziel said Wednesday. "He's been in the opposite corner of me for a while now, so all I can really do is go out and try to prove him wrong. He's entitled to every bit of his opinion."

[CaptainMusky]

Typically I cannot stand Hoge or his grandstanding, but I tend to agree with his analysis in this case.

[RumRiverRat]

Hoge has had so many concussions his head is full of jello.

Hoge is an embarrassment.

[Big Dave2]

Typically I cannot stand Hoge or his grandstanding, but I tend to agree with his analysis in this case.

Really? I would have never guessed.

[PurpleFloyd]

What were his stats yesterday?

[Big Dave2]

What were his stats yesterday?

Same as Teddy Bridgewater's.

[CaptainMusky]

Considering going into the game the browns had game planned read option plays for manziel and they were down 24 pts that doesn't say much about how they feel about him. The best quite from Pettine "we didn't need him" . Need him?

The best qb in college history and your team is down 24 pts and you don't "need" him? Lol

Turns out they made a comeback but what a dump show that team is.

[DrJuice1980]

What were his stats yesterday?

[Duffman]

[DrJuice1980]

this threat has been forgotten, much like JM. LMIT and Big Dave, still holding onto hope?

[Big Dave2]

Actually I was just about to post that with Hoyer playing as well as he is, maybe Cleveland will look to trade Johnny Football and then there might still be hope for the Vikings yet!

Peterson for Johnny Football, that would be a great trade!

[CaptainMusky]

We could trade ponder for him. They both a clipboard well. I still hate the thought of that jackwagon on the vikings.

[LMITOUT]

this threat has been forgotten, much like JM. LMIT and Big Dave, still holding onto hope?

Couldn't care less.

[DrJuice1980]

[toughguy]

TTT Looks like Johnny gets his shot this week.

[PierBridge]

TTT Looks like Johnny gets his shot this week.

I would hope so it cant be any worse having a rookie in there vs the fleeting Hoyer.

Now that Hoyer is 100 percent finished in Cleveland at year's end I Wouldn't be opposed to him being Teddy's back up.

[Big Dave2]

I would hope so it cant be any worse having a rookie in there vs the fledgling Hoyer.

Fledgling? Wouldn't Manziel be the fledgling?

Unless you are calling Hoyer a young bird.

[toughguy]

I agree Pier. I wouldn't mind seeing Hoyer here as a back up either. Better than Ponder.