Vikes vs Redskins

[Big Dave2]

RG3 is not built like a running back. He is built like a QB. Put him in the backfield and run him up the gut 10 times, and do the same with AP. Who do you think wears out fastest? The guy built to throw the ball.

LOL, yeah he looks pretty soft to me.

[Big Dave2]

Dave, how many running QBs can you name that have had long and successful careers?

[schmitty3]

None of those guys were consistently getting set running play specialized for them, except for Vick and Young both of which have had big injury problems. There's a difference between scrambling when the pocket collapses and running up the middle on the qb option.

[Big Dave2]

RG3 - 6'2", 217 lbs.

Percy Harvin - 5'11", 184

I suppose Harvin can't run the ball either.

[nofishfisherman]

RG3 - 6'2", 184 lbs.

Percy Harvin - 5'11", 184

I suppose Harvin can't run the ball either.

Its also been questioned whether Harvin can survive the pounding he takes week after week given his size.

[zepman]

RG3 - 6'2", 184 lbs.

Percy Harvin - 5'11", 184

I suppose Harvin can't run the ball either.

I believe RG III is more like 220-225.

The Skins are idiots if they keep running him this way. He is MORE than capable of being a drop-back passer.

[LMITOUT]

Vick and RGIII look like pretty good RB's to me. Steve Young wasn't bad either. But then again, maybe it was just their opponent that made them look good.

[Big Dave2]

Its also been questioned whether Harvin can survive the pounding he takes week after week given his size.

Looks like he is surviving better than Adrian Peterson so far.

[Big Dave2]

RG3 - 6'2", 217 lbs.

Percy Harvin - 5'11", 184

I suppose Harvin can't run the ball either.

Adrian Peterson - 6'1", 217

[Big Dave2]

Arian Foster - 6'1", 228

Maurice Jones-Drew - 5'7", 210

Ray Rice - 5'8", 212

LeSean McCoy - 5'11", 208

Chris Johnson 5'11" 191

Looks to me like if anything RG3 is over sized to be a running back.

[nofishfisherman]

Comparing his size to a RB doesn't get past my first point that RB's can be replaced far easier than a franchise QB. If one of those guys you listed goes down its not that hard to find a guy who can take his place. It could take the Redskins 15 years to find another QB with RG3's potential.

If you look at the bulk of the QB's in the league right now most of them are athletic freaks all capable of doing at least some running. But most coaches realize the value of their starting QB and won't put them in that position. Again,that is why the option is seldom ever run in the NFL.

If you want to compare RG3 to other running QB's Vick and Young are probably the two best to compare him to. Vick is nearly always hurt to some degree. He's only played in all 16 games once in his career. Young played in 3 full seasons over his career and also sustain at minimum 7 concussions (more are suspected but weren't reported).

[Big Dave2]

Comparing his size to a RB doesn't get past my first point that RB's can be replaced far easier than a franchise QB. If one of those guys you listed goes down its not that hard to find a guy who can take his place. It could take the Redskins 15 years to find another QB with RG3's potential.

[nofishfisherman]

Alfred Morris the Redskins rookie running back (drafted in the 6th round) is 4th in the NFL in rushing yards and 3rd in the NFL in rushing TD's. By any measure he's a top RB so far this year.

Who do you think the Redskins are more worried about replacing if they were to get injured? RG3 or Alfred Morris?

[Big Dave2]

Alfred Morris the Redskins rookie running back (drafted in the 6th round) is 4th in the NFL in rushing yards and 3rd in the NFL in rushing TD's. By any measure he's a top RB so far this year.

Who do you think the Redskins are more worried about replacing if they were to get injured? RG3 or Alfred Morris?

I guess that settles it. Put all your starters on the bench and never play them for fear that they will get hurt I guess.

[Big Dave2]

Who do you think the Redskins Vikings are more worried about replacing if they were to get injured? RG3 Christian Ponder or Alfred Morris Adrian Peterson?

[nofishfisherman]

I guess that settles it. Put all your starters on the bench and never play them for fear that they will get hurt I guess.

No one ever said anything remotely close to this but of course you already knew that. I'll just take it to mean you don't have a logical rebuttal and that the discussion is over.

[Big Dave2]

No one ever said anything remotely close to this but of course you already knew that. I'll just take it to mean you don't have a logical rebuttal and that the discussion is over.

But yet you don't even mention my LAST post. I guess the discussion IS over.

[zepman]

I think the majority would conclude that having a potential (drop-back) pro-bowl q-back running the option is stupid thing to do.

Absolutely STUPID....

Another post stated an undeniable truth...it took 5 NFL games to scramble his brains for the first time. At that rate, he would suffer (at minimum), three concussions per year.

With the new NFL standards on testing for concussions...he will enjoy a very bright, exciting and SHORT NFL career.

Absolutely STUPID....

[Big Dave2]

I think the majority would conclude that having a potential (drop-back) pro-bowl q-back running the option is stupid thing to do.

Absolutely STUPID....

Another post stated an undeniable truth...it took 5 NFL games to scramble his brains for the first time. At that rate, he would suffer (at minimum), three concussions per year.

With the new NFL standards on testing for concussions...he will enjoy a very bright, exciting and SHORT NFL career.

Absolutely STUPID....

So there has never been a running back in the history of the NFL that has gotten a concussion within his first 5 games?

How does being a QB make RG3 more susceptible to concussions than any RB in the league? Most of the time if a QB gets a concussion it is from a blind side hit where the QB is defenseless. Those will always happen no matter if the QB is mobile or not.

If RG3 would have been drafted as a Running Back you would think nothing of giving him 20-30 carries a game.

[Big Dave2]

Quote:

Tony Dungy is one of the more intelligent and reasonable NFL analysts out there, so when he speaks, you should listen.

On if Griffin III running the ball so much should be a concern:

“Well I don’t know, he’s done that his whole college career. What you are saying is people are taking shots at him. I noticed that Cincinnati definitely went after him, even when he handed the ball off and that is the danger you’re taking putting that option game in. As he said on his interview, that’s the way he plays and he’s not ready to back down.”

[Rick]

The real question is

"How much risk do you want to take with your franchise QB"?

Do you want your franchise QB for 4 years or 10 years?

The more options and QB draws he runs the more he is likely to get seriously injured and be done. It's really that simple.

[Big Dave2]

The real question is

"How much risk do you want to take with your franchise QB"?

Do you want your franchise QB for 4 years or 10 years?

The more options and QB draws he runs the more he is likely to get seriously injured and be done. It's really that simple.

Or, the other REAL question could be, "do you want to win games and championships, or not?"

[Slabasaurus]

Or, the other REAL question could be, "do you want to win games and championships, or not?"

I always thought the REAL question was

"what is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow?"

[Rick]

Or, the other REAL question could be, "do you want to win games and championships, or not?"

Hard to win a Championship without a franchise QB (who's on IR or worse) unless you have a top defensive unit.

[Big Dave2]

Hard to win a Championship without a franchise QB (who's on IR or worse) unless you have a top defensive unit.

Also hard to win championships if you are reigning back the potential of your franchise quarterback.