AIS laws and ice augers question

[schmoe147]

I'm wondering whats going to come about this ice fishing season. Everyone knows ice augers ice up and are thrown in the back of pick-ups. I'm wondering if we have to thaw all the lake water that froze to the auger before we leave that particular lake or will they let this go. I could see this being a disaster come ice season.

[harvey lee]

Hope no DNR or AIS people see this thread or they will have a new idea.

I would not put anything out of the questions for AIS regs.

More than likely they are writing the ice fishing rules for AIS at this time.

[Alagnak]

Good question. Those who think that what we are doing now matters will sure think that the auger ice would matter too. Why would it be any different? I'm sure someone can educate us as to what invasives still live while frozen inside ice??

[Stick in Mud]

That is an interesting question....I don't see why it'd be any different from having water in a livewell (unless AIS die when frozen?), but I am no expert on anything relating to this topic.

[Finlander]

Another "Can of Worms" just got opened up!

[SapperACE]

Agreed finlander... Don't give them any more dumb ideas!

[muskE]

Agreed finlander... Don't give them any more dumb ideas!

Saving lakes from AIS is now a dumb idea? Give it time and overall attitudes and thoughts will change (on both sides). I remember people used to club muskies and northerns like they were fur seals and now we're hand-landing. This topic too will one day find equillibrium and both sides will have peace of mind. We're at a point of change and it's generic human nature to resist.

Whnen you think of it, at the end of the day, how hard is it to toss the remnants of a $2 scoop of crappie minnows or make sure your boat (or auger) are clean?

[aanderud]

Whnen you think of it, at the end of the day, how hard is it to toss the remnants of a $2 scoop of crappie minnows or make sure your boat (or auger) are clean?

I'll only address this part because it's the part that shows how obtuse you are being. How can you not understand that everyone doesn't use $2 crappie minnnows. Catfishermen can easily bring out a couple dozen LARGE sucker minnows or creek chubs that cost a couple bucks a piece. If you have a slow night and don't use much bait, there's no way you're going to toss out $50 worth of bait at the landing.

[Jameson]

I remember my science teacher specifically saying that ice is not water. Had something to do with how much energy it takes to warm it. Hopefully the legislatures/dnr think the same way.

[aanderud]

When we went to Canada last week, the Canadian border agent almost took away some of our bait because he thought we had them frozen in ice. We froze them in vacuum sealed bags basically dry, so he let us keep them. Seems like AIS could easily be transported in ice.

[grasshopper]

Don't know, but mine is always ice free. How do they ice up if u spin them when u drill a hole?

[muskE]

I'll only address this part because it's the part that shows how obtuse you are being. How can you not understand that everyone doesn't use $2 crappie minnnows. Catfishermen can easily bring out a couple dozen LARGE sucker minnows or creek chubs that cost a couple bucks a piece. If you have a slow night and don't use much bait, there's no way you're going to toss out $50 worth of bait at the landing.

It was intended as a sweeping generality suggesting that there's not much cost in smart management and it was not to drill into the granularity of who uses how much of what kind of baitfish. Bring your $50 of suckers on the ice...you can bring them right back off without penalty.

The laws are intended to protect our waters and our best interests and, like it or not, they help everyone on here who reads these boards. Search for other threads on this topic and you'll see people discussing how they have envisioned bending the rules to gain some marginal level of satisfaction about saving a few bucks in bait at the potnetial cost of infecting a once prisitne body of water.

I hate fishing through milfoil and flying carp disgust me. I'm thankful that I fish on a few bodies that are free from AIS (for now) and will be deeply saddened if they become infested and find out it was due to human neglegence. let's face it, if everyone would do their responsible part this discussion thread woudln't be necessary.

Melt your ice and dry your auger or put it in the laundry room for an evening before you go lake hopping. It's not unreasonable especially since just about everyone walking on hard water has a tank of propane and a match.

Good Times!

[schmoe147]

I'm wondering how you keep your auger ice free, I also spin mine but a thin layer of ice after each hole adds up after drilling 50-100 holes a day?

[grasshopper]

I guess I just must be dumb founded. But then I don't drill 50 to 100 holes. I still catch fish and auger is ice free.

[grasshopper]

oh ya and the way it was stated it sounded like it is covered with ice. Thin coating ,ya

[creepworm]

I do know mine always has ice on it when fishing. In fact, I don't think I have ever seen an auger that didn't have ice on it after drilling holes.

[CAMAN]

From the little research I have done, Zebra Mussels DO NOT survive when frozen. The cells in plants like milfoil start to get damaged when frozen, and the longer they are frozen the more damage they will sustain and the less likely they will survive. (But I would hope you would remove any noticeable sign of plant material before leaving the lake anyway) I won't even go into the chances of a goby, Asian carp, or whatever other fish being transported on an auger.

The only AIS I could find that has an even remote possibility of surviving a frozen auger would be Spiny Water Flea. From what I could find the flea will die when frozen or dried out, BUT they do produce eggs that, when either frozen or dried out, can survive extended periods of time, and are able to hatch when returned to the water. But the only caveat is the eggs are resting on the bottom of the lake, so unless you hit the bottom with the auger you will not have a chance to pick any up. And even so if you do hit bottom and stir a few eggs up, they have no way of clinging to a spinning auger.

I didn't look into any of the viral AIS yet, but will update when I find any info.

:EDIT:

VHS (viral hemorrhagic septicemia) CAN be frozen and still have a small likely-hood of surviving.

[muskE]

From the little research I have done, Zebra Mussels DO NOT survive when frozen. The cells in plants like milfoil start to get damaged when frozen, and the longer they are frozen the more damage they will sustain and the less likely they will survive. (But I would hope you would remove any noticeable sign of plant material before leaving the lake anyway) I won't even go into the chances of a goby, Asian carp, or whatever other fish being transported on an auger.

The only AIS I could find that has an even remote possibility of surviving a frozen auger would be Spiny Water Flea. From what I could find the flea will die when frozen or dried out, BUT they do produce eggs that, when either frozen or dried out, can survive extended periods of time, and are able to hatch when returned to the water. But the only caveat is the eggs are resting on the bottom of the lake, so unless you hit the bottom with the auger you will not have a chance to pick any up. And even so if you do hit bottom and stir a few eggs up, they have no way of clinging to a spinning auger.

I didn't look into any of the viral AIS yet, but will update when I find any info.

:EDIT:

VHS (viral hemorrhagic septicemia) CAN be frozen and still have a small likely-hood of surviving.

What if you hit a frozen Asian Carp laying on the bottom with your auger and it was infested with VHS?

[CAMAN]

What if you hit a frozen Asian Carp laying on the bottom with your auger and it was infested with VHS?

We're all doomed

[Moose-Hunter]

Agreed finlander... Don't give them any more dumb ideas!

Seriously... Don't you think those brain surgeons have already thought about this? If there's a way to tax, fee, or further restrict the sportsman, that idea is ALREADY on the books just wait to be implemented.