commen courtesy hunting?

[jay83196]

It's hard to describe the area my fault forgot explaining so many of details better, but my stand is in open only place I can put it they hunt a mowed path 10 yds wide on edge of the woods CMon man....they have one shot of about 30 yds unless they shoot on my property my stand angles away from them toward our land. If I had a picture it would show it better. And its as far from line as I could put it unless I put in pond or in thick woods.

[Jameson]

On another person’s private land or a public right-of-way, a

person may not take a wild animal with a firearm within 500 feet

of a building occupied by humans or livestock without written

permission of the owner, occupant or lessee of the building.

If you are firearm's hunting on someone else's, even a relatives of yours, land within 500 feet of the neighbors dwelling you are in the wrong. 100 yards=300 feet.

Screw common courtesy, you are breaking the law.

[jay83196]

I'll use my crossbow then I'm good! Thanks for clarification Jameson!

[shortfatguy]

I really doubt that is the way the law is ment to be interpreted. You cnt tell me that a son or wife of the land owner can't shoot there just because their name is not on the title. If you are on legally hunt able land with permission of the owner you can shoot. Now if you don't have permission that's different.

[jay83196]

I don't understand the wordage, does that mean I can't shoot on my own land or fathers land if a neighbor builds a cabin I have to stay 500' away if I shoot a gun? Or if I'm on their land I need to shoot 500' away unless written permission to shoot? That just makes no sense and if a neighbor builds a cabin, shed, garage etc close to property line you have to modify actions on own land? What qualifies as building, my stand could qualify as a building? 4 walls roof, door , windows, etc ? Have to call dnr to get clarification I guess...

[Jameson]

I'm not a lawyer, and hopefully a retired one will chime in...

The way I understand it is if YOU OWN the land, ignore the law. It doesn't apply to you. If you are hunting on land you do not own, than do not hunt with firearms within 500 feet of the neighbors house.

Another law says the same thing, but instead of neighbors house it's a livestock corral.

BTW I think both laws are carp. I have some stands that are bow-only due to those laws. They take away a person privileges to grant permission to others to hunt on the their land due to where the neighbors build. If the neighbors don't want anyone hunting close by they shouldn't build near property lines.

[jay83196]

Jameson, that being said why make your statement I'm breaking the law, as I certainly wouldn't be shooting on our family land in my stand? A s well as if you think its [PoorWordUsage] anyway why point it out in the first place!

[Jameson]

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...as I certainly wouldn't be shooting on our family land in my stand?

what? Did you mean would be?

You're welcome for pointing out a law that you did not know about. Thought it was common courtesy to do so.

The neighbors are being very courteous (sp?) by letting your friends hunt near their dwelling. Notice the irony.

So, why make the statement "You are breaking the law"? To hopefully keep you and others from breaking the law in the future. Also, I would like the law dropped and by telling you and others of it maybe we can have a stronger voice together and get it dropped. A local city has an ordinance that states no bow hunting 500 feet from any property line, 1000 feet for firearms. I don't like the current state law, and would hate to see it changed to something like the local city. Maybe if hunters are aware (you weren't) we can stop any possible change and maybe even get the old law off the books. I don't know of anyone trying to make the change, but it is something we should be on the look-out for.

Again, you're welcome.

[Big Dave2]

That just makes no sense and if a neighbor builds a cabin, shed, garage etc close to property line you have to modify actions on own land?

I get a kick out of how many of your posts illude to the fact that you seem to believe that your neighbors have done something wrong by placing thier cabin in the location of thier choosing on thier own land. The nerve!

I have always said that if a person who owns property doesn't like what his neighbors are doing on thier property, he should own MORE property so he can get away from the neighbors.

[jay83196]

Lol whatever! The law makes no sense if you re read what I wrote if a neighbor not my neighbor but a neighbor meaning in general that law makes no sense the way its written. I wasn't or haven't alluded to my neighbors being right or wrong in building a cabin where it is only that I disagree with where they hunt or act around my area while hunting or that I didn't build my stand by their cabin as it was not there at the time of construction.

And I even moved it as far as I could once cabin was built.

Jameson, again your knowledge of the law is overwhelming I wish I could copy and paste as you do. We can interpret that quoted text several ways I will call the dnr for clarification, I don't read that the same way you seem to. And I dont think for a second you brought it up to get it changed

And your local ordinance has nothing to do with this a lot of areas you can't shoot at all clearly that is not the case here.

[hawgchaser]

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what would you do? Am I overreacting?

Jay, This thread is actually getting humorous as your initial quest for info/feedback is belied by your 16 posts arguing with an almost universal consensus that you have few options. When my lovely wife fails to recognize my "superior wisdom" and convert to my opinion, I'll often jokingly offer to fix her a couple white Russians to help her get "smarter" (i.e more agreeable) My suggestion to help you get what you want is for you to buy a 24 pack and invite a couple buddies over. Somewhere around 2/3 of the way through the 24, I anticipate you will all be in total agreement.

I'm not trying to be snide. I just see no evidence that you are genuinely seeking any honest input that is contrary to your perceptions.

[TRZ II]

I think you guys are being way too hard on Jay. I have been in his shoes. My family owned 10 acres and had the run of the section till about 02'(shot many deer) then people moved in on all 3 sides and I was SOL. I then branched out and found I could hunt potlatch, had some great spots in Pine County(shot many deer). Then Potlatch sells all land in Pine county, again I'm SOL. I then find some great spots on public land in the state forest, have some great years(shoot many deer) but guys start moving in and sitting on buckets 50 yrds from me and of course I'm SOL again. I then decide to save every dime I can and buy land because I love deer hunting. I now own 80 acres and can't be happier, but most people arean't in a position to do this. But let me tell you loosing hunting spots by no fault of your own really SUCKS! I feel really bad for Jay.

[jay83196]

Fair enough, like I said next year is next year. I keep trying to clarify things as comments come up making it clear I didnt build this next to a cabin and then go wow these people use their cabin how rude, or that I expect them to cater to me I don't but in my opinion (clearly most people disagree) not hunting next to me when they have better places to hunt is not catering its courtesy not to hunt so close. It has become entertaining and I am surprised on reactions, but you are all entitled to your comments and in a few instances made me rethink my views on the fact that if its your land screw courtesy do what you want, enjoy your time on it.

[nofishfisherman]

Hey Jay, since this topic seems to be wrapping up I had a sort of unrelated question. YOu mentioned in an earlier post that you'd be using your crossbow next season. I have thought about using a crossbow since a shoulder issue makes it tough for me to use a bow. I know you need some sort of disability waiver from a doctor in order to legally hunt with a crossbow and I'm just wondering what all is involved with getting it. Did you get the waiver? Was it fairly easy to get?

I can physically draw a 60lb draw bow but after maybe 5 shots my shoulder is useless for about a week making it very hard to practice and I'm not going out in the field without being able to practice.

[LightningBG]

The way the law is written is messed up. I always thought it was 500 feet from any dwelling you didn't own or you needed permission.

But I read it over about 100 times last week and it doesn't seem to say that at all. Seems like if you own the land, it doesn't matter how close someone else's dwelling is. This rule/reg/law, should be rewritten.

[jay83196]

That was my understanding I never thought it would not matter on my own land ?

Nofishfisherman, I had a neck issue years ago and Dr suggested not drawing bow back often and I like to practice a lot if I hunt with it so I decided to try crossbow I just printed form off dnr site my Dr filled out and I sent in about 3 weeks later I got a card on the mail I can hunt just like with bow no differences. when Dr fills out form there is,section on permanent or temp ( 2years I think) make sure if permanent issue he filled that out.

[nofishfisherman]

Cool, thanks. I'll have to look into it.

[TooTallTom]

That was my understanding I never thought it would not matter on my own land ?

Keep in mind that unless your name is on the title, it's not legally your land. You're a guest of the owner, even if the owner is your father, mother, sister, brother, uncle, etc.

I'm not saying it would happen for sure, but the right CO in the right mood could make you go to court to sort out how far "ownership" extends through the family in this situation. And I'd rather not be the test case.

[fivebucks]

You can legally use a crossbow during firearms season if you wanted to - you just need the permit for archery season.

[jay83196]

That would be interesting to be asked to see the title of the land...

[jay83196]

Spoke with dnr and if on your land this doesn't apply, and he doubted if family land would be issue...last name is on the mailbox good enough for me, until told otherwise!

[TooTallTom]

You're right, they probably won't ask to see the title. But what if a CO asks if you're the owner? You can either lie or not. And they can then either make an issue out of it or not. Like I said, you do what you want. I wouldn't be very excited to be the test case.

[DinnerPail]

Can't believe the thread is 8 pages, can't we put it to rest and get back to talking about positive things and the good things about the season, not how someone ruined my hunt or how I didn't get a deer because of how someone else hunts or acts.

[jay83196]

Don't like it don't read it then...or take time to comment not to be a jerk but just saying...

[DinnerPail]

Did read it, did comment!!