zepman Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share Posted April 29, 2011 Very nice post analyzer...spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblueM Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Another T-Jack style reach at QB. Taking a 3rd-round talent when there was top-5 talent available to them....I think I'm going to become a Lions fan like when I was a kid. They're going to be scary in a couple of years. cmon, you know you want to! cmon over to the long-suffering Lions side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblueM Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 btw... doesn't Christian Ponder sound like the title to the worst bible camp ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyzer Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Let the naming process begin. We had the "Steel Curtain", the Doomsday D, the Purple People Eaters...What will this lions defense be called, now that the Vikings have given them a 2nd, Suh. You can't dbl team them both.Maybe they'll both get 20 sacks, and they can be called the Roaring 20's.Vikings make me puke. Take Fairley. Take a dump. Take Andrew Luck.Hell, we might only have a partial season this year any way, just lose em all, and get the best 2010 college QB. Luck is the real deal.I don't care whether Ponder pans out or not. You took him too early. You just spent too much.If I'm in a fantasy draft, and take Arian Foster in the first round last year, and then justify it by saying, well, look at his stats. It doesn't matter. The fact is, I could have had him 3 rounds later, and who did I miss out on?Ponder or someone of similar talent would be available later, and we missed on Fairley.When this is all said and done, I doubt if the vikings 2nd pick, measures up to Fairley. However, I bet their is a QB taken, after 43, that will measure up to, or be better than, Ponder.I'd bet Fairley is 80% or better to be worthy of his selection. I'd give Ponder 20% at best.Why the hell do the vikings coaches continue to take "Shots" in the draft. Why would a first time head coach, basically put his career on the line, with a QB (Tjax), that wouldn't start on 18 of the top 20 college football teams? If I'm a new coach, I'm picking solid players, and leaving risks to the stock market.Anyone who spent a couple minutes watching Troy Williamson "highlight" tapes, realized that he caught some 5yd slants, and housed them. It had almost nothing to do with receiving talent, and almost everything to do with just plain speed. How has that worked out for Oakland?I'll take a cris carter with great hands any day, over some speedster.Just a couple years later, we take another Cock, Sidney Rice, and there is no comparison in highlight tapes. His tapes were littered with nice catches. One handers, sideline taps, traffic, you name it.Vikings could have passed on Troy Williamson and taken Shawn Merriman, or Demarcus Ware. They could've passed on Erasmus James (who, actually, i kinda liked), and taken Aaron Rodgers 24, or Roddy White 27.QB's are almost always a work in progress. Is that what you want when you have an offensive line that is starting to look like an e-pass toll booth? The best Qb's can't pass if they don't have time, and Ponder won't. The worst ones can sit back there and pick you apart if they do. Go get a quality offensive lineman, or a stud like Fairley. You're either keeping the pressure off yours, or putting it on the other guy, either way it's win win.I think you just lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Sounds to me like you over analyze lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleFloyd Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 There is a reason Fairley slipped from potentially the top pick in the draft to where he went. He has some work ethic issues and has just as good of a shot at busting than breaking out.Talk about the vikings taking shots in the draft? Look at the history of the Lions over the past 25 years and tell me why they had a top 5 pick as often as they did. Talk about bad draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_walleye Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 The more I think about the ponder pick, and the more I hear, the less bothered I am. I think the vikings were resigned to a qb in the first 2 rounds. I've heard the skins were going to take ponder at 10 but got cute and traded back to 16 and we know what happened. If we don't take him, and the skins do take him at 16, then you are left wondering what you have to do to get Dalton. With not being able to trade back they were handcuffed. You take him at 12 or you don't get your potential qb of the future and your just 1 more year behind in that search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepman Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share Posted April 29, 2011 Exactly...they got handcuffed into taking him at 12. Washington took the short end of the stick last night. Dalton and Koepernick both go early in the 2nd...Ponder would have went long before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyzer Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I thought he had a nice press conference today. He seems to have his head on square. That's nice.Purple, there are guys that slide all the time. Randy moss slid. AP slid. Aaron Rodgers slid (alot). Just because some teams passed on Fairley, doesn't mean he's likely to bust. Teams passed on Warren Sapp because he had some Pot issues. Fairley is Warren Sapp IMO, and we took gus ferotte.You could use the same logic and say 3 teams passed on Ponder. I have a friend in Tallahassee, and he watched Ponder weekly. Even he thinks the vikes screwed up.I'm not saying Ponder won't be decent. I think he's smart, and that's a nice change from some of the stuff we've had. But I just think there are better things to do with a 12 pick, than take Ponder. A stud OT, Fairley, or Prince, would've been my direction.Taking any QB with a top pick, is a big risk. Those bets just don't pay off very often, and it's a big price to pay. I know there are plenty, who are tired of taking journeymen QB's... Cunninghams, Georges, Johnsons, Ferottes, etc, and want to go the Franchise QB route, but you end up with alot of Rex Grossmans. Most QB's aren't worth a sh.t until they're in the league at least 3 years. I'd rather get someone who can help the line immediately, and be here for several years, and find my QB in the FA market. If there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zepman Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 That's just it analyzer...the Vikings were tired of "ifs".You have to swing the bat to hit a home-run...Ponder wouldn't have been my choice of qb at 12, I've said that loud and clear here for a long time...but at least they took a swing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_walleye Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Well the vikings have 8 picks in rounds 4-7. Through round 6 we see some positions drafted that most of us were looking for earlier. Hopefully they have found some late round gold. I'm hoping for gold in the OT and C selected. If I were to pick a guy I like to this point, its Ross Homan, the LB from Ohio St. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Rudolph is gonna be a beast.I think we had a stellar draft. Yeah we could of got some different players that would of been good to.There will still be free agency and there's gonna be some real good free agents out there. We could still get a stud O-line, LB, CB, Safety. Take a look.The way the Vikes roll we are not done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thatoneguy Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 when the only legit compliment you can pay to the qb you took with the 12th overall pick is "he's really smart," it's a pretty good bet that it was a bad pick. i hope he does well, but there is little reason to be optimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigred1974 Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Id take a smart QB anyday of the week though, Look at tavaris, dumb as a tree stump.Same goes for Culpepper. Ill take a guy who can read a defense over someone who can scramble for 5 yards any day of the week. Let the receivers and the RB's play football, not the QB. QB needs to execute plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klecker Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 There is a reason Fairley slipped from potentially the top pick in the draft to where he went. He has some work ethic issues and has just as good of a shot at busting than breaking out.Talk about the vikings taking shots in the draft? Look at the history of the Lions over the past 25 years and tell me why they had a top 5 pick as often as they did. Talk about bad draft picks. Depending on how this draft class turns out it could give them three solid years of drafts. Times are a changing. It’s going to suck finishing with a lesser record than the lions again next season. Hey at least the lions can beat the Packers. Heck they can even do it with their 3rd string QB. Heck he even threw a td pass last year, well actually four. Webb had like what 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMITOUT Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Looks like Mel Kiper is grading the Vikings' draft a C+, the lowest of the NFC North teams. Seems generous.He also gave them the "Most Questionable Pick" award for taking Ponder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Yeah and there will be teams graded with an A that end up junk and teams graded a C that end up good, happens every year. There's been years they gave us an A and the draft sucked. Glad to hear it was a C that means good things to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblueM Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 i'd have to say the most questionable pick was the Chargers taking Jonas Mouton in the 2nd round - most folks thought he was a 5th-7th round pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koonie Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 I couldn't care less about draft grades. They mean exactly nothing.Nothing is proven until these kids get on the field. How can you grade something that hasn't even been tested(so to speak)?All that garbage is just to keep people coming to their websites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FISHINGURU Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Like it or hate it Christian Ponder will be a Viking. Your an animal, nice prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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