2011 Minnesota State High School Hockey Tournament

[jwmiller33]

]So how do you feel about public schools recruiting? Many of them do it

How do you know this for sure? I just don't believe it

[cjac]

] I hear you on homegrown talent though. Ideally it seems like a great idea. But what do you do if you are from moundsview? your team is terrible every single year. You know you will develop better at Hill or some other school. What do you do?

I went to Hill with a kid from the Como Park public system that went on to the Gophers, Olympics, and the NHL. Would that have happened if he stayed in the Como system? Likely not.....

Tough subject, and a slippery slope indeed. Recruited....no, to the best of my knowledge. Taking advantage of an opportunity to excel, yes.

[scsavre]

I do agree. I think it is time to move up. Just like many others have. You get good, dominate and then move up.

[PierBridge]

Public schools recruit if you call it that or entertain the allurement of kids every bit as much as the private schools.

I do agree STA could move up to AA if THEY want but I won't lose any sleep if they don't.

It's actually an incredible story and shows what bringing in a quality coach or coaches in this instance can do for program. To go from a fledgling Hockey program that hadn't won a state title in 50 years to a power house is no small feat!

[jwmiller33]

ok enough with the public vs private debate.

here is some comedy to lighten up the mood. I don't know if any of you have seen this video yet, but it is a good laugh:

the 2011 All Hockey Hair Team

[fishinfey8]

ROFLMAO...Peroxide Jesus!!! Thanks for sharing that clip miller.

[quackersmacker]

SC. It's funny to me. The first sentence was "I just don't really believe private schools recruite". Then you go on to say "most the recruiting was done by players. Not the coaches". So i'll ask you nicely, which one is it? Then you babble on about the size of area saying Warroad has a 50 mile radius and Eden Prarie only has a 15 mile radius. Come on man, nobody is that dumb to get into that debate. You are really struggling to prove a point you know is dead wrong. I give you an E for effort, but please try and educate yourself, for our sake. By the way I am from one of those afore mentioned small northern towns. Good luck to ya, we all see you really need it!

[jwmiller33]

SC. It's funny to me. The first sentence was "I just don't really believe private schools recruite". Then you go on to say "most the recruiting was done by players. Not the coaches". So i'll ask you nicely, which one is it?

+1

[scsavre]

Quack, I believe people were talking about coaches recruiting, and I was stating that I find it hard to believe that a coach goes out and recruits kids to play at a private highschool. I then said that Hill was my example. And I am not sure if kids talking to eachother would count as recruiting so I dont see a contradiciton there. Our coach never sent us out to to go recruit kids. I gave an example of what hapened at our All Star league. And my comment on miles was referring to who would HIll and STA have on their teams. They have no districts. there are not very many people that live near STA (sounds dumb, I know), and there are very few kids that can aford to play hockey near Hill. I was saying 15 miles is gigantic for EP.

Really not sure how you can tell me to educate myself, last I checked I am the only example on here of a kid who transfered from a public school to play hockey at a private school.I challenege you to find more expericen than that. I followed in my brothers footsteps.

I see your small northern town - Cloquet - You guys ever have a kid from a diferent town suit em up. Im sure you have. And I think it is great. I just dont see why you guys up north care so much about what the private schools do, when you guys do the same thing.

Was Oshie from Warroad?

were all the Cullens from Moorehead

Was Jason Blake from Moorehead

Was Hedberg and Finnegan from D east.

Was Langebrunner from Cloqet (maybe they moved there when he was 10 for hockey? im being sarcastic but who knows)

How many palyers on Dultuh east were from Duluth in the mid 90's.

I remember at Roseville we even had kids transfer to play for us because of open enrollment.

So would you rather kids skipping out on High School and ending up in the USHL and the NDP? I think I would rather have them playing in HS.

To wrap up, do I think they recruit? I still dont think they need to. Were any of you ever recruited by a coach? Again, I am mainly reffering to Hill- which has alway been the most natorious.

[Bear55]

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I really see no problem with recruiting. You guys all mention these little poor northern towns, come on, they are pulling from a pool of players as big as any.

I bet Warroad was good because TJ Oshie was from there.......

Your kidding right? Warroad is famous for pulling in a kid or two from elsewhere and the northern schools do have their fair share of kids jumping schools but it might be one or two players, a lot of the time the teams are home grown. For most schools the pool of players to pick from is far less then you would imagine, save for maybe Duluth East and Moorhead. If you look at the youth programs you will see most northern schools are lucky to put together 2 or 3 peewee teams in a given year, some only one, now if you compare that to some of the metro teams what are we talking 6, 8, 12 teams for some of the larger programs? The numbers just aren't comparable.

I will agree with you on the recruiting front, the players take care of that themselves. They know where their friends are going to play or they know who the good teams are coming up through the ranks.

[cbrooks]

Jason Blake grow up in riverside Grand Forks move away in the ninth grade(i think) to Morehead(hahaha see if the mods spot this) it had nothing to do with him being recruited.

Warroad from talking to other people from Theif River and EGF does recruit. Mainly the years when a Marvin is on the team. To buy there kid a championship. Family tradition.

[scsavre]

Brooks, you are a plethora of information.

Hey Bear at Roseville we had 1A team and 1 B team for all levels of youth hockey. I actually dont think we even cut a kid from JV. Its a good point about them not having enough kids and that is why I dont care if they get kids from other comunities. I dont think it is recruiting, just parents and kids doing what is best for the kid.

I suppose now I do sound like a contradiction, I just dont think it is coaches recruiting, I think it is parents doing what they can.

[scsavre]

Brooks and Bear, we better stick to college hockey......

[quackersmacker]

SC you do have some valid points. If u were referring to 15 miles being huge, I misunderstood you. As for me I actually grouted from DE in the mid 90's. So I know the good teams from then were straight up, as I played all the way up with them. Langenbrunner, from clouqet and went to play major juniors in Canada his senior year. As well as Cade fairchild and Keegan flarety did at east in the 2000s. I'm not educated enough on the other players mentioned. I would rather watch the kids stay in hs but then again they are thinking about their hockey career and furthering it. It's a tough decision to make. I see a lot of kids go to Marshall in Duluth, and it's not for the education. As a matter of fact my brothers best friend went to Marshall, and the day after hockey was over his senior year kicked him out of school. Granted he wasn't the best student, but the school got what they wanted out of him. Like I said before take STA. They are all guys, that is twice the pool to choose from then a guy/girl school. As far as I'm concerned they are in the same category as shattic (sp). Private or public there are examples of whole families moving, not for hockey, but employment, divorces, and so forth. I realize they are far and few between, but it does happen.

[cbrooks]

I really don't have a dog in this fight. Some one mention "its the name in front that matters not the one on the back" famous words from a great hockey name . Does it matter if the kids are from the city or town. As long as they are playing for the team is what matters. These kids in highschool still have that value. They ususally lose it sometime after high school. I see it in college level and even more so in the professionals.

[titelines]

When I was in high school our school started an exchange program, where two students from our school would go to another school and two from that school would come to our school.

The administration set it up and we ended up partnering with a school in Finland (the country). Wouldn't you know it, the first two students to come to our school were both 6' 2", 200 pounds guys that just happened to be very good hockey players. Hmmmm, what a coincidence.

[Bear55]

Like I said before take STA. They are all guys, that is twice the pool to choose from then a guy/girl school.

I actually posted this very same thing a while back but I think we might be wrong. I read somewhere that STA enrollment is only 500 but the MSHL doubles their numbers because they are an all boys school. Can anyone else confirm this either way?

[scsavre]

534 9 through 12

[jwmiller33]

Bear, you are correct. For all boy schools, MSHSL doubles their enrollment number for the A/AA cutoff (which I think is either 800 or 1,000, can't remember exactly)

[jwmiller33]

According to MSHSL's HSOforum, their enrollment is 1078 (9-12) which shows that the MSHSL doubles their enrollment for classification purposes. They SHOULD be in AA with 1,078 being their enrollment

[scsavre]

hill murray comes in at 860 9 thru 12 and eden prairie has 3290

[jwmiller33]

Edit: just did a google search and found the actual cutoff for A/AA for boy's hockey is 1,341 (as of 2009-2010). When I was in high school (graduated in 05) the cutoff was around 800.

[Bear55]

]hill murray comes in at 860 9 thru 12 and eden prairie has 3290

I don't think Hill Murray is going to get any sympathy from anyone on enrollemnt.

Now if you want to talk about Roseau winning all those titles with home grown talent and an enrollment around 400, well that is an accomplishment.