JR ?????? !!!!!!!!!!

[&JAG]

Good for you to help clear up that plate mirage for me. I guess it just goes to show how a NASCAR nut can even miss a beat on stats. But, only 3 wins since 2005... Not to mention one of those three was total gas mileage gamble (Eury Jr.) and one was rain shortend where he wasn't even running up front all day long. So yes, maybe back from 00'-04' he was a decent driver but, this sport is about present and well since 2005 yikes it's been bumpy at best. I think the big boys are safe from the #88 and are not the least worried about him either. I believe he will win one race however this year. Team Hendrick is just too darn strong for him and well, Gordon not to win some races. Plus, Jr. has the best resources and engineers in the sport along with choosing his crew chief situations. It is a team sport... I guess #88 is just wayyyy over rated.

[lawdog]

Jr. is fine. He's clearly not the best driver out there, but he isn't junk either. Sunday that two lap run was out of this world, but it is Daytona and like I've said before, it is what it is and nothing more or less. 48 hasn't finished higher than 27th in the 500 the last five times there and he's the four time reigning Cup champ. It is just one race and even at that its a plate race which is even less relevant to the rest of the year.

[gregg52]

you see stewart up on the cart lookin at the computer trying to figure out how to make his car better JR talkin bout baseball cards....lol...maybe he missed his calling he should do stand -up...lol

How did that work out for Stewart? Didn't he finish like 23rd?

I think stewart won like 4 point races last yr plus the all star race...made the chase as did his other car

which dont bode good for JR 2 new start up teams

make it their first yr

[harvey lee]

Originally Posted By: harvey lee

The good crews get their driver out very fast.

When the driver doesn't miss the pit... Didn't he have a few times last year where he missed his pit completely?

A few missed pits and almost always losing positions are not the same.

Some simply choose to downgrade JR

No he is the not greatest driver ever but Jr is not as bad as some seem to make him out to be.

[harvey lee]

I sense some Jr. favortism so I'd better even it up. The point is a good driver can win any weekend on any track. To say Jr. is a top driver is nuts. If all the races were on plate tracks or short tracks there would be an argument. But, that's not reality and Jr. as a top talent in NASCAR is another non-reality... How many wins of his 18 or whatever it is are non-plate tracks anyway? I like his personality and all but, he is middle of the pack talent wise. Also, there is no reason why he cannot run top 10-15 every week in his equipment and his pit crew is far from middle. Hendrick Motorsports since day one has given him everything he has wanted and more... What's next? Will he get Knaus next year if he doesn't make the chase this year? I think they have done more than enough for him... Time to see if he can perform with the big boys...?!

Its too bad that many try to make Jr fill his fathers shoes.

First of all, he will not have Knaus as his crew chief. No he is not or never will be the greatest driver on earth right along with 99% of all other drivers.

Just seems that many hate Jr so bad that they will stir the pot and say only negative things about him.

Also seems that no matter what many state, many will just choose to slam Jr.

Lets face one thing, Jr is the most popular driver around and may be the most popular driver ever.

He has more money than most of the drivers and always will.

Jr will also have a better than average career.

[PikeBayCommanche]

If JR can ever figure out how to race and win on 1.5 mile tracks then he might end up an above average driver.

Until then he is and will be known as a Superspeedway driver.

[yaggie]

Gees, I just wanted to liven up the board a little.

[GatorBait]

I most admit he did come on hard when needed but why did he not even attempt the final pass? Maybe he just thought McMuurry deserved a big win.(I was not really serious about that statement).

That did actually ponder in my head until his interview came up. I honestly don't think he had enough engine to get him. I was hoping to god his old man's blood began to flow, I was screaming 'Bump and Run, Bump and Run'. That would have been an awesome finish. Oh well, what do ya do.

[Big Dave2]

you see stewart up on the cart lookin at the computer trying to figure out how to make his car better JR talkin bout baseball cards....lol...maybe he missed his calling he should do stand -up...lol

How did that work out for Stewart? Didn't he finish like 23rd?

I think stewart won like 4 point races last yr plus the all star race...made the chase as did his other car

which dont bode good for JR 2 new start up teams

make it their first yr

What does LAST year have to do with Stewart looking at a computer vs. Jr. talking about baseball cards?

Its not very often that the drivers get a 1-1/2 hour break in the middle of the race. I'm sure Stewart joked around for his fair share of that time too.

[gregg52]

guess you just missed the point

[&JAG]

True. But, I'm sticking with him being middle of the pack talent. Like I said I like his personality and all nothing personal. Here's an idea of how I see it... Put Reutimann, Truex Jr. or even Ambrose in Hendrick equipment and have the same team, communications, etc. they would out perform him through out a season. Jr. nation just needs to be ok with a border line chase driver at best. I'm into true drivers who can race anything and he isn't in that group. Go Gordon, Stewart and Montoya!!

[gregg52]

right i believe the REAL GOOD (GREAT) drivers win the road courses to

[harvey lee]

Boy Jag, you must really like JR to talk about him all the time.

[Big Dave2]

True. But, I'm sticking with him being middle of the pack talent. Like I said I like his personality and all nothing personal. Here's an idea of how I see it... Put Reutimann, Truex Jr. or even Ambrose in Hendrick equipment and have the same team, communications, etc. they would out perform him through out a season. Jr. nation just needs to be ok with a border line chase driver at best. I'm into true drivers who can race anything and he isn't in that group. Go Gordon, Stewart and Montoya!!

Truex was in the same equipment that Jr won 18 races in. Truex won 1.

[Big Dave2]

right i believe the REAL GOOD (GREAT) drivers win the road courses to

Jr. has won at Watkins Glen in Nationwide. I know it's not Sprint but it proves he can do it.

Jimmie Johnson must suck then because he has never won a road course either!

[Big Dave2]

Here is the breakdown of Jr's wins by track type:

Flat tracks - 2 wins

Intermediate tracks (tri-oval) - 3 wins

Intermediate tracks (other) - 2 wins

Restrictor plate tracks - 7 wins

Short tracks - 4 wins

Road courses - 0 wins

[gregg52]

Truex was in the same equipment that Jr won 18 races in. Truex won 1.

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now hes in the same equipment as the 48-24 and the 5 and hes an old man...lol

(Even everyones hero Mark Martin)

[minnbowhunter]

I am not a huge JR fan but he always seems to drive clean and I respect the man for that. All of the drivers are under a huge amount of pressure to perform well on the track. With JR it seems he is always under the microscope, personally I could'nt live like that.

[gregg52]

I agree with ya bowhunter he is under the microscope

its gotta take its toll

i personally dont see him being around for along time

sooner or later racin just wont be any fun

[PikeBayCommanche]

In last years he has a whooping 3 wins.

Last at Michigan in 08 which was a fuel mileage wins.

Before that it was Richmond in 06 and Chicago in 05.

He seems to not be able to do well at tracks like Pocono, Atlanta, Texas, California, Vegas, Kansas, Charlotte and Miami.

If you can't win or at least show well at some of these tracks you will always have a hard time making the Chase.

[Big Dave2]

Truex was in the same equipment that Jr won 18 races in. Truex won 1.

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now hes in the same equipment as the 48-24 and the 5 and hes an old man...lol

(Even everyones hero Mark Martin)

How many races has the 24 won lately? 1 race in the last 2 years. Whats wrong with his equipment?

[gregg52]

hes got kids and bad back.......lol

still was 3rd in points

[yaggie]

Originally Posted By: gregg52

Truex was in the same equipment that Jr won 18 races in. Truex won 1.

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now hes in the same equipment as the 48-24 and the 5 and hes an old man...lol

(Even everyones hero Mark Martin)

How many races has the 24 won lately? 1 race in the last 2 years. Whats wrong with his equipment?

True statement. The difference being that the 24 car has been there at the end for a possible win on more races than not.

[bottom-bouncer]

I am not a JR fan but in all fairness He is under more pressure than probably any other person in motor sports. He is easily one of the most Identified people in this country. Everyday he lives in his fathers shadow like it or not he has no choice in this matter. Think about it this way when ever you see him in a comercial or on the t.v wether it be racing or anything else almost everyone thinks to themselves the son of number 3. He has so much pressure on him to be his father. How many of us could wake up each day and have everybody thats associated with our job (boss,co-workers,clients,consumer's, ETC) watching every thing we did how succesfull would we be? I would say that most of us would just try and hide or just quit and try and blend into the back ground. He has things going on his life that we can not even imagine dealing with. He has no chance of ever finding someone to marry or have a family with. With out always wondering if they love him for him or if its the fame and fortune there after. I think overall he has had a succesfull career in nascar. He has one some races. Obviously he has the biggest fan base and he carries himself well. And promotes a good self image for young fans of nascar to look up to. There have been many racers who have not one a championship and many more to come.

[gregg52]

ya i agree on the presure

and i'm sure its tuff

BUT he's not the only superstar in the world

did you see the press around the super qb

but when they are on the field they produce

as in arod in baseball...jordon in basketball etc etc

when hes in the car he should produce

as far as gettin married and so forth thats not really breakin my heart...lol again he not the only superstar in the world

there's equals in is world

danica is there she has as many micophones in her face as he does maybe he can hit on her....lol