Childress Wanted to Pull Favre

[BrdHunter01]

Good thing we gave Chilli a new contract! He's the greatest coach in the league!

[croixflats]

Originally Posted By: SledNeck

If I was Wilf Id fire Chilly and promote Bevell today

Or Frazier. He is as good as gone this offseason, maybe to Cleveland?

I think Frazier is safe another year. After some of these games his defense was dismantled and like Childress does not have a back up plan to address problems that may arise in a game. Like maybe backing Jared off the constant rush or back up the screen on his side and those dump passes. He inherited this defense from Tomlin and so far with the exception of Allen the team defense has improved little. Maybe Henderson had improved but he is gone know.

[Dave S]

What if Chilly refused to give McKinney any help with Peppers to send Favre a message to start running his game plan?

What if............truth is, nobody will ever know.

I was wondering the same thing Zep. But on the flip side, what is wrong that a coach doesn't do more to protect his QB? I also agree that Kleinsasser should have been out there to double team Peppers. Farve was getting pounded long before Chilly even considered "pulling" him. Makes me think there's more to the story than what we're being told.

[zepman]

I think there's alot more to this story than we'll never hear. How can every fan watching on t.v., all 20+ assistant coaches, and Chilly himself not see that McKinney needed some help. Most left tackles (even pro bowlers) need help securing the corner against the elite rushing ends in the league. Look what teams do to Allen...it's not rocket science. It's not hard to take Peppers completely out of that game.

Something made Favre mad enough to come out and say what he did during that press conference. He's probably done a thousand of those and he knew exactly what he was doing and who his message was intended for (Chilly).

IMO, I think it was Chilly's intention to sit Favre down during some time in that game to get his message across going into the play-offs...while still winning the game. Unfortunately, it backfired on both fronts.

[croixflats]

Very interesting perspective. The way Favre was getting pummeled lucky we did not loose him for the season and what an uproar we would have then. If there is something to this they better get it figured out,its the wrong time of the year to prove a point and have egos clashing. We lost a game because of this witch now made the play offs much harder and now we have to fight for a by weak and that should not have happened.

[buckx37x]

I agree with brdhunter01 chilly dogg is the best coach in the world!!

[Dave S]

How can every fan watching on t.v., all 20+ assistant coaches, and Chilly himself not see that McKinney needed some help.

Here's another issue. Some may think that bigger is better. That's all fine and dandy if the guy has an ounce of agility. IMO, both McKinnie and Loadholt are too big to be on the ends of the line. They can't get their center of gravity low enough to effectively stop an average pass rush. If you watch when Peppers pushed McKinnie straight back to Favre, he had no chance when he stands straight up when the ball is snapped. He just can't get low enough. Pat Williams could probably get around those guys.

[kitchy]

You better hope that this winter storm stuff is over by Monday (which it should be). The last time Favre played at Soldier Field during bad winter conditions he didn't do so well.

[Big Dave2]

At news conferences on Wednesday, Childress and Favre said they had spoken and resolved to move forward. Childress said they had a "good talk" on Monday and Wednesday about their disagreement

"He and I talked, as we have all year," Favre said, adding that given the team's recent slump, "the frustration is gonna show."

"It's gotten blown way out of proportion," he said.

[croixflats]

Was that before or after Favre was voted most valuable player by his peers. Could not resist.

[zamboni]

You better hope that this winter storm stuff is over by Monday (which it should be). The last time Favre played at Soldier Field during bad winter conditions he didn't do so well.

Without Uhrlacher though, it is a completely different team.

[Big Dave2]

Former Minnesota Viking Tommy Kramer says disputes between quarterbacks, coaches are nothing new

Pioneer Press

Tommy Kramer Tommy Kramer watched the Vikings suffer an embarrassing loss to the Carolina Panthers on Sunday night, and Kramer, who for 13 seasons was a free-spirited quarterback for Vikings coaches Bud Grant and Jerry Burns, has followed the subsequent headlines depicting the sideline disagreement between Vikings coach Brad Childress and his star QB, Brett Favre.

"Bunch of nothing is all that is," Kramer said Wednesday. "Those things happen all the time. Childress was just trying to protect Favre because (offensive left tackle Bryant) McKinnie was getting pushed back by (defensive end Julius) Peppers like he was on roller skates."

Kramer, who absorbed more than his share of brutality from defensive linemen, had to grimace watching McKinnie, despite his 6-foot-8, 335 pounds, futilely try to keep the explosive 6-7, 283-pound Peppers away from the 40-year-old Favre.

"I was like, 'Oh, man, what in the hell is that?' " Kramer said. "I thought McKinnie had roller skates on or something."

There has been juicy speculation about the extent of play-calling improvisation that Favre, a future hall of famer, has been afforded under Childress, and the friction it might have created between the two.

Kramer, reached in his hometown of San Antonio, vividly recalled a Vikings game when he adamantly disagreed with the play calling of offensive coordinator Bob Schnelker. It was against the Chicago Bears; Kramer thinks it was a 1986 game.

"Schnelker wanted to run a '571z comeback,' which is a 20-yard comeback by the flanker, after a play-action pass out of the 'I' (formation)," Kramer said. "So I see (Vikings running back) Darrin Nelson's going to try to block Otis Wilson. Nelson weighed about 185 pounds; Wilson weighed 255.

"Two linebackers lined up — one over the tight end, one outside the tight end. The Bears had three defensive linemen covering the two guards and center, and (star linebacker) Mike Singletary was on the weak side between the guard and tackle."

Kramer remembered as if he were still on the field.

"Well, I know that there's no way in hell that I'm going to have protection to throw a 20-yard comeback," he said. "So I audibled out of the play to a quick slant (pass). Schnelker sent the same play in five times in a row, and I audibled out of it five times in a row for the quick slant."

Kramer felt he knew better than Schnelker.

"I knew the only thing that's going to happen to me (if he were to run Schnelker's play) is that I'm going to get my [PoorWordUsage] kicked back there trying to get rid of the ball," he said.

So instead of listening to Schnelker five straight times, Kramer said, "we completed five slants in a row, went down the field, and I don't know if we dropped a touchdown pass and then had to settle for a field goal."

But then Kramer had to face Schnelker, who was calling plays from the sideline.

"I'm coming off the field and Schnelker says, 'Dammit, Tommy, don't you think I sent that thing in five times in a row for a reason?! You think I want to run it?"

Kramer, in the heat of the moment, told Schnelker, "Hell, yeah, I thought you wanted to run it.

"But if you want to run it, here, take my shoulder pads, put my jersey on, take my helmet, and you go out there and run it against that defense and let Otis Wilson come after you!"

Schnelker's response?

"He didn't say anything other than, 'That's right,' " Kramer said.

Today, Kramer, 54, is an industrial strength chemical salesman for United Laboratories.

[LMITOUT]

Favre was getting throttled because he was holding onto the ball too long. It has nothing to do with the O-line.

[PierBridge]

FIXED!

Rogers was getting throttled because he was holding onto the ball too long. It has nothing to do with the O-line.

[croixflats]

I think your onto something PierBridge,

pointing out canned responses, insert name here, and not lets forget about that funny graph and math thing that pops up ounce in a while. Looks like were dealing with an elaborate computer program responding off key words and phrases.

[LMITOUT]

Wow. This fake cover from about a year ago or more couldn't have been more prophetic. Favre is going out on his own terms! Screw you Chili!