Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

[FISHINGURU]

3-0 WITH FAVRE

1-2 WITH JUNKSON

[koonie]

Actually, if T-Jack was the QB today instead of Favre, they may not have needed to come back and win at the end because they would have already had the game in hand. Favre is the hero because he came up huge when it mattered. But he didn't have a great game. Vikings could have/should have won easily today.

I make my T-Jack comment tongue in cheek, because unlike some people, I'm not able to draw conclusions on something that never happened. But it's not far fetched at all to think that Jackson could have had a better performance than Favre today, minus the final drive.

Aaron

Blah blah blah. Same thing every time. "It could happen". "You never know". Of course, this logic can sound legit in any argument. Monkeys could conceivably fly out of my butt. You can't prove that wrong either.

[croixflats]

Its all what ifs, ands and butts and now monkies flying.

[AWH]

Isn't that what the T-Jack haters base their stance on? It could happen that he won't succeed, you never know. But the people on that side of the arguement are able to see the future, so they're able to say it as fact. Us less fortunate people that aren't able to clearly see the future more clearly than the past can only look at things objectively. When we do that, we do the unthinkable. We actually are willing to watch something happen before we conclude the outcome.

Why would I try to prove it wrong about monkeys flying out of your butt? Bruce Almighty made it happen. No reason to think it couldn't happen to any of us!

Aaron

[Wadinator]

T-Jack has the opportunity to learn an immeasurable amount being with Favre for a year or two.

If he absorbs any significant knowledge from watching and playing with the old guy, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if T-Jack does one day become our solid number 1.

[PierBridge]

Originally Posted By: AWH

Actually, if T-Jack was the QB today instead of Favre, they may not have needed to come back and win at the end because they would have already had the game in hand. Favre is the hero because he came up huge when it mattered. But he didn't have a great game. Vikings could have/should have won easily today.

I make my T-Jack comment tongue in cheek, because unlike some people, I'm not able to draw conclusions on something that never happened. But it's not far fetched at all to think that Jackson could have had a better performance than Favre today, minus the final drive.

Aaron

Blah blah blah. Same thing every time. "It could happen". "You never know". Of course, this logic can sound legit in any argument. Monkeys could conceivably fly out of my butt. You can't prove that wrong either.

Pot meet Kettle!

Possibly 2-1 but more than likely 3-0 with T-Jack. Like LMIT said and lets not kid kid ourselves here Favre is much better than T-Jack in the 2 minute offense and we probably don't march down which means the field goal is not blocked and we win fairly easily.

Don't feed the poor sports on this any more guys most of us with an open rational thinking mind new T-Jack was better than Sage and he's a lot better than the box they "HATERS" put them selves in at the begining of last year and can not escape from.

Let's just all be thankfull we have a good back-up and a make due 3rd teamer in Sage in-case something happens to Favre!

[Rick]

If Jackson were QB today we'd have gotten smoked, period.

And you know this for a fact how????

[Rick]

3-0 WITH FAVRE

1-2 WITH JUNKSON

And you know this how crow eaters?

Maybe koonie can come on with his vast football knowledge and defend your stance with some more blah blah blah statements

[AWH]

Rick, it's very simple. They have an amazing ability to see the future before it happens. I think we should all pool up our money here at Fishing MN and have them go to Vegas. We will all be able to retire early!

Aaron

[SledNeck]

wow, I cant believe there are still people that feel we should have TJack as our starter over Favre. I never looked in this thread cause I thought it was all the same ol TJack bashing.

Amazing

[fishin58]

Well it still is sled....for the most part. I think we have picked up a few believers for TJ's future though. Week 12 and Tjs reamergence will come pretty fast

[AWH]

SledNeck,

This thread isn't about T-Jack vs. Favre. It's about T-Jack versus the haters, first. And T-Jack vs Sage, second. With the exception of maybe a few tongue in cheek comments, I don't think there is anyone here that believes T-Jack is a better option than Favre this year. Even among T-Jack supporters, consensus is that he's right where he belongs for 2009.

Aaron

[gr8icefishinmind]

wow, I cant believe there are still people that feel we should have TJack as our starter over Favre. I never looked in this thread cause I thought it was all the same ol TJack bashing.

Amazing

None of us think that tjack should be starting over favre........but we are sticking up for the fact that the kid is a good NFL qb and has a bright future if given the chance! Hopefully tjack relizes how lucky he is to be sitting behind favre for this year and possibly next and learns from him!!!

[LMITOUT]

Like LMIT said and lets not kid kid ourselves here Favre is much better than T-Jack in the 2 minute offense and we probably don't march down which means the field goal is not blocked and we win fairly easily.

I certainly don't believe that would be the case, and if Jackson was in there the Vikes lose by no less than 14.

[CodyDawg]

I love all the people who rip the guys who say we would have lost with TJack. They say you never know. They give Drew Brees as an example. So, the evidence they are putting forth is akin with the monkey/butt comment followed by 1 guy (oh, I forgot Gannon), make that 2 guys who came on late. Maybe, just maybe, we should list the QBs that played a few years and didnt pan out. Hmmm, wonder if that list would be longer than 2? I think it is safe to say that for every Brees, there are 50 or more that didnt make it. Ryan Leaf anyone?

What has been brought up (and somehow discounted) is that Tjack has NEVER, NOT ONE SINGLE TIME, shredded a defense when we needed a late game drive. It is just as likely, or more likely, that we would have gotten blown out because of a bunch of stalled drives and passes of 3 yards on 3rd and 9. Maybe Tjack would have thrown 2 picks, maybe he would have fumbled, who knows, they are just as likely has him doing something he has never done. Deal with the facts, he has not shown himself to be a competent passer when needed. Period. You can monkey/butt all the scenarios you want, but those are the facts.

[traveler]

amen, and thats it for me on this thread.

[fishin58]

Just 1 example TJ leads us down the field and we kick a FG and the Vikings beat the Giants to make the playoffs. We win the game 20-19 behind TJ.

Minnesota - 3:10

1st-10, MIN43 3:10 A. Peterson rushed up the middle for no gain

2nd-10, MIN43 2:34 T. Jackson passed to N. Tahi to the right for 2 yard gain

3rd-8, MIN45 2:00 T. Jackson passed to B. Berrian to the right for 9 yard gain

1st-10, NYG46 1:55 A. Peterson rushed to the left for 7 yard gain

2nd-3, NYG39 1:20 A. Peterson rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain

3rd-2, NYG38 1:11 T. Jackson passed to V. Shiancoe to the right for 8 yard gain

1st-10, NYG30 0:36 A. Peterson rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss

2nd-12, NYG32 0:09 T. Jackson incomplete pass to the right

3rd-12, NYG32 0:00 R. Longwell kicked a 50-yard field goal

[fishin58]

Also in the lions game last year TJ throws a TD pass to take the lead. Mind you this is to save us the embarrassment of Gus in the first half.

1st-10, MIN38 15:00 T. Jackson passed to C. Taylor to the left for 12 yard gain

1st-10, 50 14:14 T. Jackson incomplete pass to the left

2nd-10, 50 14:09 A. Peterson rushed to the right for 7 yard gain

3rd-3, DET43 13:27 T. Jackson passed to S. Rice to the right for 15 yard gain

1st-10, DET28 12:48 T. Jackson passed to A. Peterson to the left for 15 yard gain

1st-10, DET13 12:11 A. Peterson rushed to the left for 2 yard gain

2nd-8, DET11 11:22 T. Jackson passed to V. Shiancoe to the right for 11 yard touchdown. R. Longwell made PAT

[LMITOUT]

Just 1 example TJ leads us down the field and we kick a FG and the Vikings beat the Giants to make the playoffs. We win the game 20-19 behind TJ.

Minnesota - 3:10

1st-10, MIN43 3:10 A. Peterson rushed up the middle for no gain

2nd-10, MIN43 2:34 T. Jackson passed to N. Tahi to the right for 2 yard gain

3rd-8, MIN45 2:00 T. Jackson passed to B. Berrian to the right for 9 yard gain

1st-10, NYG46 1:55 A. Peterson rushed to the left for 7 yard gain

2nd-3, NYG39 1:20 A. Peterson rushed up the middle for 1 yard gain

3rd-2, NYG38 1:11 T. Jackson passed to V. Shiancoe to the right for 8 yard gain

1st-10, NYG30 0:36 A. Peterson rushed up the middle for 2 yard loss

2nd-12, NYG32 0:09 T. Jackson incomplete pass to the right

3rd-12, NYG32 0:00 R. Longwell kicked a 50-yard field goal

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You obviously don't recall that the Giants had locked up a playoff birth and played most of their bench players that game (something called David Carr).....and still almost beat the Vikings starters with Jackson at the helm.

Nothing to be proud of, Russ.

[AWH]

fishin58, those things never happened. I just read it a few posts earlier. Quit using facts, we don't like those here! T-Jack has NEVER lead the team to a victory. I don't know how many times I've read it here. So it must be true!

Aaron

[fishin58]

limit, so we lose that game, we lose the lions game, we lose the cardinals game? How do you make the playoffs if you lose all three of those games? When 2 out of the 3 TJ won in the 4th Quarter and the other he throws 4 Td's and gets NFC player of the week.

[LMITOUT]

Some quotes from the post-game news story regarding the aforementioned Giants game:

Quote:

When Jackson found a wide-open Bernard Berrian for a 54-yard touchdown pass to cut New York's lead to two points midway through the fourth quarter, it was a third-string cornerback -- Terrell Thomas -- who fell down trying to cover him.

Quote:

Really, it was the Giants who gave the Vikings all they could handle despite a bunch of backups on the field and a clearly conservative offensive strategy in the second half.

And the best one yet, characterizing Jackson's "awesome" drive to win the game:

Quote:

The Vikings then crawled through a frantic, unorganized final drive and got just close enough for Longwell to kick the winner.

[LMITOUT]

limit, so we lose that game, we lose the lions game, we lose the cardinals game? How do you make the playoffs if you lose all three of those games? When 2 out of the 3 TJ won in the 4th Quarter and the other he throws 4 Td's and gets NFC player of the week.

[BlueLundFishrman]

fishin58,

How about a recap of the Vikings run through the NFC Playoffs last year. I remember as the NFC North champs they got to host the wild card Philadelphia Eagles. Tarvaris was the starting QB for the Vikings. I just can't find the stats off hand for that game, I'm sure you got the stats.

Thanks!

[AWH]

The facts here are that the T-Jack haters will say that certain things have NEVER happened (and never will). Fishin58 simply supplied some proof that never DID happen. (how is that possible?) And then because the proof is provided, we need to discredit it for some reason. Never is never, boys and girls. Not much gray area there. Regardless of the circumstances surrounding the events, it proves a lack of credibility behind the comments (many, not all) bashing Jackson.

The fact of the matter is that a guy like Brett Favre has had more really bad games in his career than total games that T-Jack has played. But why dwell on every bad moment? People that do that can't admit that T-Jack has played well at times. It's really not any different than the people that hate Brett Favre and are convinced that he's guaranteed to fail this year. They dwell on the negatives and can't see the positves that he brings to the table.

Aaron