Gun case bill

[Tom7227]

This is one of those things that folks aren't going to agree upon. From my perspective & experience it works to keep bad guys off the streets. It seems to me that this bill is simply an attempt to keep the gun issue on the front burner. Both sides of the gun issue profit from this because it keeps people involved and supporting a particular position.

My purpose in bringing up the issue of urban entrepenaurs who are packing was to give a broader perspective on the issue than just involving hunting.

[kkahmann]

Tom--thank you for your service. I can't imajine that being a prosecutor would be a very pleasent job. I understand your perspective also but I'm not sure the game and fish legislation should be used to get bad guys off the streets. I understand that your job used to be exactly that and you are going to use whatever means are legal to get the bad guys. Blackjack and I are just saying there needs to be some limits on government power and I really don't know where to draw the line.

[Splake]

Does this make sense to you?

[BlueLundFishrman]

I think it would be wrong to change the law in Minnesota. Passage of the proposed bill would only allow the large criminal population of the state of MN a "wild west" atmosphere to overtake the state and wipeout the wild game population.

Resist the urge to change.

[BobT]

Say what???

Bob

[BLACKJACK]

The thread is about the gun case bill. You said the SD non-case law worked for you. You weren't compelled to ground pound your pheasants and it seems you didn't shoot your self. Why does it work in SD,resident and nonresident, but it wouldn't work in MN?

Okay, I see where you're coming from. If I had to choose, I would choose to have a case law for both states, I think it gives all hunters a bad name when ordinary non-hunting citizens see gun barrels sticking out windows and 'hunters' shooting out the window or hunters hopping out of the car and blasting from the road. Face it, a no case law makes that easier to do. Outlaws will still be outlaws but not requiring a case will tempt more people to shoot out of the window. Its like the old saying, 'good locks keep honest people honest'. Or 'good fences make for good neighbors'. Gun cases keep honest hunters honest.

[BlueLundFishrman]

Nothing wrong with road hunting, as long as it's not big game.

[Jackpine Rob]

I look at this issue as one of those "so what - who cares" debates.

In the grand scheme of things, I highly doubt if the proposed change would cause much if any disruption. We will always have those who try and convince us that the sky is falling and the end-times are near. They tend to rant the loudest, until everyone tires of an issue. Then they move on to the next battle.

Shall-issue permits were going to lead to Wild West shootouts and carnage on a grand scale. Remember?

Allowing the "assault weapons" ban to expire was going to lead to uncontrolled mayhem. Remember?

I understand Tom's point about the usefulness of the current law in dealing with urban "businessmen". However, my default mode is to demand more personal liberty for the individual, even at the expense of added danger.

Greater freedom and less governmental regulation and interference are the prisms through which I view politics, politicians, and current events.

[big drift]

+1

[paul pachowicz]

here's a few other tid-bits on loaded guns in vehicles here in SoDakota. "No person may allow a firearm to protrube from a vehicle or a conveyance attached to it on a public road. However, a firearm MAY protrube from a motor vehicle when shooting at coyotes, jackrabbits, rodents, skunks, badgers, racoons, and red and grey fox.

Loaded firearms need not be fully encased and unloaded when using off-road vehicles on thier own land or land they lease or to persons with a disabled hunter permit but, does apply to snowmobiles or motorcycles.

Artificial light:

-- A landowner or occupant and one guest may use artificial light on his land year round to take jackrabbits, coyotes, red & greay fox, racoons, possums, badgers, skunks and rodents. Only firearms using shotshell or .22 caliber rimshot cartridges.

We can shine from a vehicle if there are no implements capable of killing game but, we cannot shine with hand held devices between Sept 1 and 31 Jan but, we can use headlites to locate animals.

As far as personal injuries here, and I'll stand corrected til I check, I can only recall 2 incidents that resulted in personal injury/death. I'm going to check on this figure Monday And, not being much of a bird hunter, I could not find anything in the book that said ground swatting birds is illegal. Additionally, I do carry loaded rifles (one in the chamber) in my pig-up with the saftey on and the bolt slightly ajar.