State tournament playoffs

[Kidd]

About this whole recruiting thing, I have a couple of questions.

One: I have been under the assumption that the athletic directors that are trying to get open enrollment limited are athletic directors from smaller communities. I'll use Grand Rapids as a hypothetical example. I thought the smaller schools in that neck of the woods were loosing to many players and started making noise about making athletes sit out a year if they transfered to another school.

Second: Does anyone know how many Roseau players grew up playing in the Roseau youth organizations VS. how many have transfered into the program just to play for the school?

Again, I don't know the answers to the above, just curious.

Thanks

[harvey lee]

I personally dont have those numbers but, lets take a school that draws from may others outside its community, I would believe that those numbers are higher. I dont know if anyone has access to those numbers other than the schools or the MSHSL.

I agree that it would be interesting to see the actual numbers and who is transferring in the most students and what sport if any they participate in.

I just wonder where the schools like STA and Hill Murray and so on draw their students from as I dont know those exact numbers.

It would be nice to see a tourny where these students were brought up through the school system and played for the high school in their town and not the open enrollment that now happens.

[youngie22]

Harvey you are so right... I was hoping for an all public school championship. Even if the cake eaters are in it. But as far as your numbers I think it will be very hard to find much. Alot of it happens earlier than you'd think, kids and parents are planning this in elementary. Parents looking for jobs in certain places, and then eventually buying homes in the school district.

[youngie22]

Oh yeah... Go public schools!

[muskyjim]

kidd - do you think kids are more likely to move from moorhead,theif river or warroad to roseau during "down" years in a program. or drive down the street from bloomington or maple grove to holy angels or where ever? or down the street from one duluth school to another?

harvey - i would like to agree with you on the multi-tourney thing but it would take years to get the highschool league to work that out.

on the tourney broadcast mike antonivich emotionally talked about it being the greatest thing, going down to the state tourney and playing with his buddies that he grew up with. the sad thing is with open enrollment and recruiting the schools that don't recruit or draw open enrollers are finding it harder to compete with the schools that do. it has become a business. if you ask me overall it lessens the experience and takes a little bit away from the game of hockey. but i guess kids are getting noticed so ...............

[harvey lee]

They could still just have one tourny and end open enrollment for sports. Education only but I guess thats not what some in todays world would want.

I have no issue with private schools but when they draw from so many pulbic ones to build their sports program, I just dont agree with that. I realize this also happens with different public schools but I would venture to guess that with the private schools its a much higher percentage statewide.

Maybe it all started with the cake eaters in the late 60's and early 70's in the Ikola era.

[muskyjim]

YES, ELIMINATE OPEN ENROLLMENT for sports.........now you're talking, but it would be a matter of time before people found their "loop holes" through education.

Well i have a problem with schools drawing kids away from others, public or not, to build their sports programs. there's alot of smaller school programs that are directly suffering from this. the bigger schools can absorb losing a couple of kids, the smaller schools can not. and in turn it also affects the educational programs of the small schools also. All for some kids to get "noticed". SAD

I don't know where it started, but i wish they would do away with it. Just my thoughts.

[cjac]

I have a couple counter examples:

Benilde and Edina: Many of those kids came out of the same program growing up. There's not a shift between the two, just good development in the youth programs and players spread across both schools.

Centennial: Used to be horrible years back, but now have solid teams across all age groups. Public program.

Hill Murray & White Bear: Schools are 5 miles apart, but always seem to meet in the Section final, trading spots in the tourney.

Public Schools Feeder Programs: Like Centennial, public schools can have programs at all levels, so they can develop kids who have played together for years.

Facilities: Many of the newer public high schools being built have incredible facilities, their own rinks etc.

Tonight's game: Should be a good one. I'll take HM, a solid goalie will make the difference.

Chris

[harvey lee]

Perfect example from todays results. STA wins again. How long will the MSHSL allow a school like this to dominate the tournies??? Maybe they need to move up a class even though they fit withing the enrollment rules for size. Maybe they figure why move up when we can beat the smaller schools.

Now, lets take a school like Roseau who chooses to play in the AA class. When they win, they have really won something of value. They beat the big boys or larger cities schools.

The key for some of these schools is, yes many but of course not all. I dont even care to get into the Edina deal.

This really bothers me but, GO Hill Murray.

[cjac]

Totally agree in STA, they should be playing up. Their enrollment number is boys, so 1/2 of what a comparable school would be. That said, the Toppers did not play well at all.....

Roseau has had some kids in the past from neighboring towns that went to Roseau to play, so it's not an issue exclusive to the metro area.

Harvey Lee is fired up about Edina!!! Do tell Tom!

Chris

[harvey lee]

It goes back many years.

A safe bet would be that those private city schools have done much more on the open enrollment than Roseau.

[cjac]

I'm probably opening myself up to a bunch of criticism, but I'm a Hill Murray alum. The loss to Edina 20 years ago still hurts.

I hope Hill thumps the "cake eaters" big time tonight!

Chris

[icefishing21]

my prediction is that edina beats hillmuray 3-1 tonight in the championship game

[vermilionwally]

Im pulling for the cake eaters as well. Id hate to see a private school sweep again. St. Thomas and Hill Murray both seem to have recruited up a good squad this year, it would be nice to see these kids playing back in there rightfull school. I dont think Roseau does nearly as much recruiting as the cities schools they just have a great hockey tradition and good youth programs.

[muskyjim]

just say no ...................to open enrollment.

vermilionwally - going back to kids playing for their riteful schools, that's what i'm trying to say in a round about way. Creating elite highschool teams. who wants to watch that every year?

[Bryce]

Anybody been seeing the news report about the most highly recruited RB. Seems he picked CO over TX because his mom got a cushy bank job in Boulder. Heard rumors over the years that Warroad and Rosseau recruit via job offers to parents. Never been there and don't know anyone there. Urban legend?

And who names their kid Foley Schmidt? Need to be smacked upside the head and realize 420 shouldn't be utilized in the reproduction process.

[IFallsRon]

You can pick Grand Rapids as one of the first to benefit from open enrollment.

Jon Casey (North Dakota, North Stars) grew up on the Coleraine side of Itasca County and played in the Greenway system. His father, a realtor, bought a house closer to Grand Rapids, Jon went to Grand Rapids High School and the rest is history.

[youngie22]

I think the tourney champs from single or double a need to play against shattuck- st. marys or get into the AAA national playoffs. AAA has brought recruiting to a whole new level around the country!!!

[so haaad]

There's a huge "no open enrollment" loophole which allows the private schools like Hill and STA. I heard someone say that it's worth enrolling their kids in a private school program like Hill for sports if it means more exposure for their children, especially if it means a full scholarship to college. The MSHSL should look at ways to close this loophole, so it's fair to all the cities.

[Kidd]

If you limit open enrollment you will be putting the public schools at an even greater disadvantage as private schools have no boundaries. If you want to make a difference you would need to make a kid sit out an entire year only if they change schools after their freshman year.

Edit: I was hoping there would be someone who knows the Roseau team well enough to let me/us know how many transfers they have. I am curious.

[Quackaddict9]

I think most of the guys on the Roseau team are born/raised in Roseau except for a few, one as a exchange student from Finland. Nelson from the cities and Mike Lee from Warroad or something like that, thats all I know.

[PierBridge]

There certainly isn't going to be a separate tourney for Private schools.

If I'm not mistaken Roseau played Grand Rapids for the AA title last year and Hermantown won the class A title? ! You just never know whats going to happen year to year in this tourney that's what makes it so great!

I thinks its awesome that Hill Murray can put together a team that can compete with the bigger schools especially the schools with big youth programs who churn out numbers of kids at every age level for years and years.

Big Congrats to the Pioneers for knocking the snot out of both Roseau and Edina two community's where hockey is EVERYTHING from the time they are hatched. The Pioneers played as team and didn't have any real stars to speak of!!!!!!!Awesome!

I agree both Warroad who recruits more than anybody and STA should move up to the main show!

[Quackaddict9]

Aaron Ness is 2008 Minnesota Mr.Hockey

[IFallsRon]

Geez, Pier, do you have a frosting patch on your cake uniform?

[maros91]

 Originally Posted By: PierBridge

I agree both Warroad who recruits more than anybody and STA should move up to the main show!

I believe Roseau moved up to "AA" instead of "A" so that they and Warroad wouldn't have to be in the same section and only one of those teams would go to state.