Clemens

[bassNspear]

Well as you all know, we have seen whats going on with this cat, what is everyones thought about the whole situation?

[blue_healer_guy]

The way I see it, doesnt our goverment have more important issues to worry about? I mean, it's a game.

[TwinkeeDink]

for real. let MLB handle it's own issues. our "elected officials" have much more important things to handle than to dip their noses in this kind of stuff.

[Scott K]

Let them have their noses in baseball, it keeps them out of the other stuff they shouldnt have their noses in!

The way I look at it was if the players did it before it was ilagal, who cares, admit you did it everyone did then! If it was afterwards then kick them out of baseball, to not play pro baseball again, then I bet that would prevent future players from doing it!

[NAPAFISH]

People we are talking about breaking federal laws. Steroids are illegal to possess without a prescription from a licensed physician. It is illegal for individuals to sell steroids.

This is why the Gov. is involved.

Clemens is just as guilty as the rest.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Napa,

The real reason the feds are in on this is the anti-trust exemption that MLB has. There is talk about a huge lawsuit of fraud and such with the players being juiced. Just what I am hearing in the Windy these days.

PS I love your avatar....Veddy Nice!

Windy

[bassNspear]

im not so sure if he is guilty or not. I wish i could believe him, but im just not sure. For everything that he has done for the game of baseball, and the player that he is on the field, i hope that its not true that he was taking HGH, becuase he was a class act all the time on the field.

[Bassman55]

Macnamar or whatever his name is claims to have physical proof now such as needles aand vials that will have Clemens DNA on it and HGH and steriods so we can see what comes of that tomorrow when he turns that in.

[bassNspear]

thats correct. I was watching SC tonight, and he said that back in 2000 and 2001, he kept everything for proof becuase he figured that Clemens would lie about the whole situation somewhere down the line.

Its going to be interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Wow,

I can't believe he would go to that extreme but you know Clemens will come up with some crazy conspiracy theory and say that he had MacNamee give him a B12 shot and then kept the syringe and put roids in after he emptied the B12 into his rear!

Windy

[bassNspear]

ya, they were talking about it all last night on SC. Stating that he has all the records and that there was no way that clemens had anthing to prove that he didnt take HGH

[Coach1310]

Sometimes I wonder if Clemens thinks this will just all go away or what. The bottom line with all of these guys is some of their best years every came when they should have been sliding and thinking of retirement.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

I have lost all respect for Clemens, what a tool! Now his smarmy mouthpiece is equating the Congressional Investigation with the Duke rugby player incident. Yea, let's throw the entire US Political structure under the bus so one over the hill egotistical blowhard whose only redeaming quality of his life was his ability to throw a rawhide sphere 60 feet 6 inches better than most people can keep his self centered ego in tact and try to be inducted into a hall of fame for said sport so that other like minded people whose abilities were less than his can go to this shrine and worship at his bronze likeness! Give me a friggin break!

What do you call 10,000 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean?.....A Good Start!

Windy

[IFallsRon]

If MacNamee was a NY cop, what's he doing providing illegal substances?

[Cicada]

They did say NEW YORK cop.

[bassNspear]

whats that mean?

[Cicada]

Ever see Serpico?

[IFallsRon]

Serpico apparently did zero for corruption.

[PierBridge]

This trainer is a complete moron!

[papabear]

sounds like a real class act. Gives someone illegal steroids then keeps the evidence for almost ten years just in case the user lies about it. What was he thinking? I'll come forward with this in the future when my rear is the one sticking out. Now I read he claims he saw Clemens at a party he himself was not at.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Be careful which horse you saddle up with guys! I heard that they were both at that party along with wives and family but were not there the entire time. And as for keeping the evidence, sounds like a good business practice to me. If I were dealing with high profile figures in illegal substances I would keep whatever necessary if the feces ever hit the fan. You know the high profile person will always get the benefit of the doubt because they are a beloved figure and they know how to get face time in the press and play that "aw shucks fellers, it wasn't me" and "I never had sexual relations with that woman" line of garbage. There are no clean hands in this case but I don't believe for one moment that McNamee's are the only paws that are dirty!

Windy

[PierBridge]

One its not evidence in anyway shape or form....PERIOD....it wouldn't be admissible in a kangaroo court!

That being said I don't think this changes the fact that Roger did a cycle or 2.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Pier,

Just like Sammy, McGuire and Barry just took their Flintstone vitamins, right? I agree that the evidence would not make it in the court of law or kangaroo but it the court of public opinion it speaks volumes and that is what Roger the Dodger is trying to sway!

Windy

[bassNspear]

it is going to be interesting to see what happens. Ither way, something needs to be done for the game, and i believe this is whats going to start it.

[PierBridge]

 Originally Posted By: Windy City Walleye Hunter

Pier,

Just like Sammy, McGuire and Barry just took their Flintstone vitamins, right?

No! they along with Roger and thousands of others have taken performance enhancing drugs the problem is much more wide spread than the general public believes or WANTS to believe.

If you were to name your favorite modern day athletes Windy I would say its almost certain they have taken PED's and it is certain the have taken GREENIES.."SPEED"