Rincon

[Mudcutter]

What's up with Juan?? HE used to be the go to guy. A solid set up guy. I'll give him 1-2 more chances out of the bull, hopefully not in a tight game, and than move him if he still struggles.

What do others think?

[Stratosman]

Neshek is the guy now it seems....Rincon needs to step it up.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Mud,

I think since he stopped drinking the "vitamin shakes" (with vitamin S) he has fell off his stuff. Time to go back to Juan Roid-Con!

Windy

[Harmonica Bear]

Windy, I think you hit the nail on the head, Rincon has never been the same since his suspension. He has bouts where looks good, but is much too inconsistent now.

[OLY]

ERA last 3 seasons 2.63, 2.46, 2.91, ERA before his last 2 outings 2.38. I seriously fail to see the inconsistency. I love how people freak out when a relief pitcher has a couple bad games. Its like everyone thinks they can come out and be lights out every game. I will take juan over 90% of the setup guys in the league. He is struggling right now but I would be willing to bet by years end his ERA will be right back around 3.00 if not below.

[bassNspear]

Your right. Relief pitchers cant be perfect every game.

[Trainman]

Does anyone recall Rincon going an entire inning this year without giving up runs? Twins lose 5-3 in the 10th because of him.

[SledNeck]

He's worse than garbage.

[IFallsRon]

He's become J.C. Romero. I hope he enjoys wherever he'll be pitching next year.

[colonel42]

I believe they lost the game due to Guerrier's wild pitch. 2 outs and a curve ball in the dirt killed them. If this wouldn't have happened Nathen would have been in to close it out. You have to realize the Twins haven't used their reilef pitchers in the last three games. Don't get me wrong Rincon did give up the winning tater but that is baseball. I believe after hearing Santana's comments yesterday the whole team is in a "give up attitude." Also having the disaster occur just before the game yesterday.

[Willy]

Gardy lost that game yesterday.

Leave Neshek in to finish the whole 8th, bring Nathan in for the ninth and we are only 5 back in the division. He overmanaged that game big time.

As far as Rincon. He has been getting shelled every time out. ERA is really not a good indicator of a relievers success. Look at his BAA, it is up in the .300's which is not good for a setup man. He hasn't had his command and it has hurt him. His stuff looks good still, but you can't groove a straight fastball(no movement) right down the middle to ML hitters and that is exactly what he has been doing lately, this resulting in a poor season.

[walleyes12]

I agree, Gardy got to technical. Let Neshek do his thing!

[zamboni]

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I believe they lost the game due to Guerrier's wild pitch. 2 outs and a curve ball in the dirt killed them. If this wouldn't have happened Nathen would have been in to close it out. You have to realize the Twins haven't used their reilef pitchers in the last three games. Don't get me wrong Rincon did give up the winning tater but that is baseball. I believe after hearing Santana's comments yesterday the whole team is in a "give up attitude." Also having the disaster occur just before the game yesterday.

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That and Ford not putting a shoulder into the catcher on that 3rd strike bad throw-

[bassNspear]

Im sorry, but rincon is horrible. My .02

[8-Ball]

He needs to go. Like Willy said-hitters are just sitting on that tart that comes right down the pipe and blasting him. As I said earlier- Ryan should have traded him a month ago. Maybe we could have got something for him. Think we will now? Nope. This isn't breaking news. He did a lot of this last year as well. '05 was his last decent year if you look at all the stats. Now we are screwed keeping him because other teams have seen his awful numbers and are looking elsewhere. I would too.