The 20 car and it's driver

[Sifty]

I'll start out with I did'nt see the race. Pocono is one of those tracks where I really don't like to sit and watch the race.

I saw some replay's and it looked like the 20 was having a bad day.

What happened leading up to him and the 07 and 99.

Edwards did'nt have to much good to say and Bowyer looked confused about the whole thing.

I heard he was black flagged and saw he still finished in the top ten. Did he cost himself a win?

He also has fallen to the tenth spot in the chase.

Sifty

[fishinchicks]

I listened to the last half of the race as we were driving home yesterday. Stewart was pretty happy with his finish, and then he started in on his "the younger drivers don't know what they're doing" speech. I read the article on the Nascar HSOforum last night about Stewart offering no apologies to Edwards or Bowyer. Pretty interesting read, if you ask me. What it boils down to, is Stewart again thinks none of the incident was his fault, and since they don't run up front with him every week, they should give him room to go around them. If they won't he'll show them how good he is by spinning them out. Pretty arrogant if you ask me. He probably ruined any chance Edwards had of getting close to the Chase, so Edwards was very steamed.

[eyepatrol]

From what I could tell, and others may have a differing opinion on this, but the 20 and 07 were coming out of a corner racing each other hard, the 07 slid up the track enough to crowd the 20 to the wall (although the 20 barely grazed the wall if at all). Well, as we all know the 20's temper, he thought it was intentional, shook his hand out the window at the 07, then on the straight-away turned his car down and hit the 07. The 99 who was behind both of them saw the 20 nearly get into the wall, so he pulled down to go on the inside of the 07. When the 20 hit the 07, the 07 was knocked to the inside where the 99 was and the 07 hit the 99 doing extensive damage for that type of track. So, the 99 was ticked that he got messed up in the issues between the 20 and 07. The 20 was black flagged and put down a lap. Shortly afterwards there was another caution where the 99 was coming to pit road behind the 20. When they hit pit road, the 99 hit the 20 in the right rear and spun him around. So of course the 99 got black flagged. On one of the re-starts, the 20 got in front of the lead car, then another caution came out, so he got his lap back and worked his way through the field to finish 7th I believe. The 99 never did recover from his black flag, although at that point it may not have mattered for the 99.

Anyway, that's what I saw. Others may have seen it differently. I rarely get someone to agree with me on here.

[lawdog]

basscatcher pretty much summed it all up except I think the 20 was already back on the lead lap when the 99 spun him on pit road. 99 was still livid after the race. 20 is one of the biggest jerks in the world. There is a great story on NASCAR's HSOforum in which one of 99's qoutes is, "That's so frustrating. How can a person make it this far in life being that much of a jerk?"

20 is the most obnoxious and arrogent guy out there!

[eyepatrol]

Here's some interesting quotes from after the race:

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Tony Stewart was laughing and joking after returning to the top 10 in Nextel Cup points with Sunday's seventh-place finish at Pocono Raceway.

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"Man, I've got to choose my words carefully," said Edwards, not easily angered. "Let me just say this: If it weren't for respect of the sport and the people watching and his team and everything, he'd be out there bleeding right now.

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Edwards said. "And then when I pull up beside him and wave my hand like, 'What was that about?' he gives me the finger.

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Stewart showed no remorse. He told crew chief Greg Zipadelli over his radio he wouldn't apologize for the accident, but promised to make it up on the track.

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"That was an awesome comeback," Stewart said with a smile.

But again, no apologies for Bowyer or Edwards.

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"Ask some veterans and ask the guys that I run up front with every week," Stewart said. "I think I'm a pretty fair driver to those guys. If I'm wrong on that, I'll quit. I'll give you my hard card and retire tomorrow.

"But I'm pretty sure that those guys are going to say I race pretty fair 99 out of 100 times."

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IMO, he should start getting that hard card out! What a hypocrite!

[harvey lee]

Basscatcher,I would agree with everything you stated.

[OUTDOORNUT]

Daytona....Fatboy says: "We are going to kill someone out there" prompting Nascar to have a pre-race meeting on rough driving.

Fatboy punts #17 in the corner and tries to kill him

Loudon.....Fatboy says:"these guys need to understand give and take"

Crashes with Newman while leading the race due to his self centered, only child ego not wanting to let a lapped car with fresh tires pass him.

Pocono......Fatboy forgot about his life lessons he passed out last weekend and decides he is now the judge on who gets and gives, puts Boyer into wall collecting Edwards. So bad the Nascar give Fatboy the blackflag. Who needs some give and take lessons.......

This guys is again off his rocker, reminds me alot of 2005 when he is just totally out of control. I'm really surprised we haven't heard anything about how the Champion needs to represent the sport better. Heck even (gag) Kurt did a better job being a champion than fatty is.

Just in his own world. I keep getting these mixed feeling for Fatty, but he continues to make me lean toward hating him rather and tolerating his fat face.

[Wade Joseph]

From what I saw, 20 commited a deliberate act in ramming 07, thus causing 99 to be damaged enough to ruin his chances for a decent day. 1 lap black flag for 20 was a joke. Edwards day was shot, I woulda done more than spun him coming into the pits. Anyone ever see days of thunder? Thats what 20 woulda got from me had my name been carl edwards.

[harvey lee]

From what I saw on tv and the replay,the 7 drifted up to Tony first.Not looking to argue,just stating what I saw.

[lawdog]

I don't think that's the issue though Lee, it was Tony's actions after the initial contact that were so out of line. And also, he says they shouldn't race him so hard that early, but why is he racing them so hard? It takes two to tango and unfortunately for the 99 he was #3 that got caught up in the 20's stupidity!

[harvey lee]

Oh,I agree with the bone head moves after the 7 drifted up.Tony was all at fault after that.It just seems that he wants one set of standards for himself and another for the rest of the field.

[Sifty]

Is he trying to police the younger guy's?

After all he is the Champ.

There really seems to be two sets of rules his and everyone elsa's.

Sifty

[eyepatrol]

Definitely two sets of rules there.

One thing I just can't believe Tony is saying is that he did nothing to the 99 car. NOTHING??? Common sense is obviously not a part of this guy's mindset. Everything he did in retaliation affected the 99. Wow, it just amazes me AND my wife of the nonsense that comes from his mouth. That is one guy that just baffles me. Towards the end of last year I thought he was becoming a half-decent person. All this year though he has reinforced what I first thought of him, and that I can't say on here.

Well, I can't say anything good about him anymore, so I'll just put my comments on him to rest.

[Uncle Bill]

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It just seems that he wants one set of standards for himself and another for the rest of the field.

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Much like gordon (the corporate spawn).

gordon spins out #17, and it's just hard racing.

Stewart spins out #07, and gets a black flag.

Double standard ??

[lawdog]

what a load of cacka Uncle Bill. I don't know why you are so fixated on Jeff, but obviously because he's the best, but there is no double standard there and a huge difference in what was going on. Kenseth spins Jeff gets no penalty at Bristol, Jeff Spins Kenseth gets no penalty at Chicago, fair is fair. Tony, takes retaliation for an incident and intentionally slams into a guy down the straightaway and takes him and another car out, he deserves and gets a penalty, Edwards retaliates and deserves and gets a penalty.

GET OVER YOUR DELUSIONS!!!!!

[harvey lee]

I would agree with you Dog.The Kenseth versus Gordon ongoing deal is all paybacks.Tony looses his head and starts hitting people.

[harvey lee]

I just saw on Fox sports that Tony now says that the whole deal was 100% my fault.But,I'll bet he would do the same thing again.

[jbell1981]

Here is Stewarts statment Harvey is refering to.

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"At the same time, there were circumstances that led up to that wreck, and after talking with Clint [on Monday] morning, we both have a better understanding as to what happened. He was trying to get out of my way and didn't realize that I had gone to the outside. He thought I was to his inside, and when he tried to give me some room, he slid into us and it put us into the outside wall. I reacted, causing the wreck that I take responsibility for and regret."

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[TNFL]

I think Nascar should access the black flag penalty after the race goes green, not under caution. The lead cars were taking 2 or even no tires for track position and the penalized car gets to come back in and get 4 fresh tires and a top off on fuel??? No wonder he got his lap back so easily. Stewart is a BASS.

[Uncle Bill]

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I don't know why you are so fixated on Jeff, but obviously because he's the best.

GET OVER YOUR DELUSIONS!!!!!

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I am fixated on gordon because he needs his bass

kicked for spinning my guy. It'll happen.

What comes around, goes around. Just remember

to write it off as "hard racing" when it does (happen).

Is he the best ??

No, he ain't the best. He is past his prime.

Lucky if he makes the top ten anymore.

Me delusional ??

No, me thinks your just in denial.

[outdoor ran]

Uncle Bill, just remember your guy started it. Your right what comes around goes around. Thats why Gordon took him out. There even right now no matter how you look at it.

[lawdog]

Didn't your guy do it first at Bristol Uncle Bill??? I sure seem to remember a 17 punt of the 24 knocking him from 3rd to something like a 24th place finish or something like that...and they only showed it a million times on TV the week after Jeff got him at Chicago, how can you not remember that, are you that scenile?? What goes around ALREADY CAME BACK AROUND TO YOUR BOY and now you are whining about it...

You adn Kenseth are both conveniently forgetful that he did it and didn't get penalized, but everybody else couldn't possibly forget as much as it got played up in the media!

[Uncle Bill]

I have forgotten nothing.

I hav'nt forgotten the shove either.

Delusional and senile ??

Go #17 !!

[harvey lee]

As a innocent bystander and from what I saw,Ole Matty had one coming.You get raced how you race them and if you want to drive chippy then dont complain when they drive that way agaisnt you.Now even and Im sure Kenseth will start another and then Gordo will park him again.It never stops until the drivers stop it.

I am not a Gordon fan,but Kenseth did have one coming.

[AQUAJOE]

What are you all talking about??