Should Gordon be penalized ?

[Uncle Bill]

NASCAR will decide by Tuesday whether Jeff Gordon will be penalzed for shoving Matt Kenseth.

Should Jeff Gordon be penalized ??

Fined ?

Lose points ?

Both ?

I think the whole thing should be dropped and forgotten, but I doubt that will happen.

[JohnMickish]

No, no, no and no. I would rather see actions like Stewarts move against Kenseth at Daytona be penalized than an altercation in the pits, unless it's a suckerpunch or something.

I personally don't like the bump and run at any track, but if you are going to live by it you also die by it, and Gordon won a few using the same thing.

[lawdog]

The rule at any track I've ever been to is if you come into the area of someone else's car, pit, crew, etc., you are the one who's held responsible, not the guy you approach... That being said, I don't think either one did anything worth penalizing. Good grief...

[Eric Wettschreck]

Has Nascar penalized drivers in the past for going fist-o-cuffs? If so, then heck yes Gordon should be pelalized. He should receive the same penalty any other driver has received.

Personally, I don't think they did anything wrong. Prolly a little stupid on Jeffs part for shoving someone while the camera is rolling.

[lawdog]

just completing 500 laps in that place, never running lower than 7th and getting taken out on the last lap will do that to you!!!

[eyepatrol]

I'm on the side where I don't think either of them should be penalized. But that's my own thought. My gut tells me NASCAR will do something. My guess is something around a $10K or $25K fine along with 10-25 points. Only reason I say that is I'd think NASCAR would want to curb actions like that in the future. Personally, I think shoves like that are okay....good for the sport. Shows some fire and desire. Things like that happen all the time in basketball and football and you don't see a thing done about it. Penalty at worst if anything.

[PikeBayCommanche]

I agree Lawdog running the whole 500 in a place no worse than 7th and then getting taken out by Kenseth because he was running slower. I hope that he doesn't get fined because he would have been in the top 5 in points with a 3rd finish.

[JohnMickish]

What does a 25 point penalty or $25K do? In an era where drivers are making 3-8 million dollars a year and all you have to do is stay within 400 points of the leader these paltry penalties have the same meaning as having a cop give you a warning for speeding. Sure, your going to think about it for.....ok, your done thinking about it, now back to normal.

[eyepatrol]

Yeah, I know and agree, but that seems to be the penalties NASCAR has handed down in the past for things people do that cause a stir. Small penalties that don't mean much.

[JohnMickish]

Like when Truex's spotter or crewchief dropped the big "S" word on tv? Even though they were evesdropping in on the conversation it still went out on the air.

[WalleyeWeasel]

Boot his A22, for the rest of his career !!

[harvey lee]

Its Bristol and as long as you have races there you will have these type of problems.When you have a race where you will have the bump and run,you will have paybacks.I dont think that the pay backs are to crash other people out,but just to move them up so they can under and by.

It happens to every driver sooner or later and then the emotions carry into the pits.The little bit that they fine these drivers,why bother.You can take points away and then its who started it.The day the fines and point loss gets real stiff,then it will change.I do say that if they throw a punch at another driver,then penalize him heavy.

Its Bristol and thats all one can say.

[lip_ripper]

I see the little chicken gave kenseth a shove with his helmet on. Too scared Matt might mess up his pretty little mug. Just a few laps before it was Gordon bumping Truex out of the way. I say he's getting his just reward for not moving out of the way.

[heiman507]

IT'S BRISTOL!!!!!

I say no penalties for the 17 and 24 for their little altercation. Standard fine for the #1 team crew chief for swearing on tv. But no other fines or penalties. It's Bristol, emotions are high and hopefully grudges won't carry on to next week at another short track. If you pentalize the teams, they might be more suscepticle to carry the grudge. But, we will just have to wait til tomorrow.

[PikeBayCommanche]

Gordon didn't even have time to take his helmet off. Right when he got out of his car Kenseth was coming in his pit box.

I know that its Bristol but that was just stupid on the last lap tp get under his bumper after he had made a clean pass on Matt.

Can Truexs crew chief get banned for the language even though they had no idea that they were putting the audio on the tv???

[duckbuster]

Moving out of the way had nothing to do with it. He made a clean move/pass on Kenseth and Kenseth let him go without incident a lap or 2 earlier. It might have been that there was slower traffic ala Jarrett earlier in the race, that was the problem. It had nothing to do with Gordon being slower and he should have moved out of the way.

Rub'ins rac'in I understand that but Kenseth was very wrong and he knows that.

Like Kenseth I think Gordon will usually admit when he did something wrong. He did at Daytona earlier with his run in with Stewart.

The problem for Gordon is that he is the best driver in Nascar and has been for the last 6-8 years unfortunately for him he doesn't have a mustache, his car isn't black and his car number isn't 3.

[harvey lee]

Duckbuster

You forgot Smoke,Johnson.

[LMITOUT]

My prediction is that he will be penalized in some form or another. If NASCAR lets this go they are setting a standard and if something like this happens again (unwarrented shove or something similar) they'll have to fall back to past practice and they won't be able to do anything because no penalty was issued here. If they penalize now, they can penalize in the future as that's been their SOP in the past.

There have been guys that have got in each other's face or grabbed a shirt sleeve, but I don't remember a full-out shove when one guy wasn't even appearing to be agressive.

I'm not buying "It's Bristol" line either. Pretty soon it'll be, "It's Pocono", "It's Phoenix", etc, etc. Somebody gets ticked off at another guy and now it's alright to give them a shove? Not a chance. Penalty is coming to set a precedence. If they don't, then it's obviously a Favorite Son ruling......

[huntingmaxima]

I really do not care for Gordon much but that was a dumb move on Matt's part. I do not see a need for a fine for either one. I hated to see the big mouth win. Was wishing that Harvick could have got to him

[harvey lee]

One thing we all have to remember is that whoever was in second and close enough he would have punted the leader.

[eyepatrol]

Exactly. If there was a driver who might not have, I think the only one would have been Mark Martin.

[duckbuster]

Harvey, if I'm reading into your 4 word statement correctly, very poor choice of words for a STAFFER.

[Dr.Ben]

I don't know what you think he meant, but I'm sure he was reminding you that tony stewart (smoke) and jimmie johnson have been pretty respectable the last couple of years.

[OUTDOORNUT]

Yes Gordon should get docked! Not because "we" don't think it was that bad, but because NASCAR has to, they set that president long before Bristol. (i.e. Robby and Jeff's pushing match, Jimmy Spencer's TKO on Dumbo, Harvicks attack on Rudd) But we will see AGAIN that Hendricks is the "Golden" team of NASCAR and nothing will come of it. About the same as Johnson's car at Daytona and not getting docked points, but somehow Schrader did for their infraction!

I don't mind what Jeff did, I actually think it is good for the sport (the rivalry part) but he did lay his hands on a fellow competitor, and NASCAR has docked points once you do crose that line!

[PERCHJR]

DUH!!! 25 points and $25,000!!! But since he is wonderboy they will let it slide!!! But what would be fun is let them 2 guys go at it and watch Matt mop the floor with Jeffy!!! Rules are Rules!!!

GOOD LUCK AND GOOD FISHING!!!