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Expected worst Deer harvest in 20 years!

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Changing the 4a and 4b season to a full week made no difference IMO. 4a was sat,sun 2 days. 4b was sat- tue 4 days. 2+4 =6 days hunting, now we hunt saturday to following sunday, 9 days hunting an extra 3. A person pretty much has the weekdays mon-fri hunting by himself, hardly anyone hunts during the week, in fact alot of the groups still split up weekends the way it used to be.

The all season was a bucks only lisense, it was at the time, the only license you could hunt anywhere in the state as long as the season was open, if you didn't have the allseason, you were stuck taking a buck in your chosen zone 1-4 and your doe had to be taken in your zones permit area, Now you can go wherever the f you want.

* if my memory serves me right.

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It made a huge change.... we had a fraction of the hunters in the woods because we were forced to split up because of the a and b seasons...

Huge pressure increase on deer when you add to the amount of hunters opening weekend with changing to zone 2 rules.

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In times of rebuilding the herd splitting the hunters up into separate seasons can help reduce the pressure on the deer. Wonder if it was considered this year, or next?

That was tried once. Trouble in some areas,part of the party hunted each season and the rest made deer drives,thus the kill ended up higher due to illegal hunting by some. Maybe it works in some areas.but not north central Minnesota.

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That was tried once. Trouble in some areas,part of the party hunted each season and the rest made deer drives,thus the kill ended up higher due to illegal hunting by some. Maybe it works in some areas.but not north central Minnesota.

Thats a pretty big assumption, that enough hunters were hunting illegally to make a difference.

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It made a huge change.... we had a fraction of the hunters in the woods because we were forced to split up because of the a and b seasons...

I agree with hockeybc on this one. Plus a 9 day season puts more pressure on the big bucks, if you only had two days you'd be more likely to settle for any buck rather than holding out for a big one.

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The old system was set up that you needed to choose to hunt EITHER weekend. Only way to hunt both weekends was to purchase Multizone buck license or All Season license. License sales of both those tag types was negligible statewide.

2001

4A - 68000 hunters

4b - 38000 hunters

2002

4a - 60000 hunters

4b - 34000 hunters

2003

4a - 70000 hunters

4b - 39000 hunters

2004

4a - 73000 hunters

4b - 37000 hunters

2005

4a - 66000 hunters

4b - 30000 hunters

2006

Our permit area was changed to zone 2 starting this year.

Zone 2 - all hunters able to hunt opening weekend. 33% more hunters able to be in the woods at one time compared to previous hunting season structure. Thats a HUGE pressure increase on deer.

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The illegal hunting was when you picked like your 5 days you wanted to hunt in the 70's and yes in certain areas the illegal kill was documented and they over harvested. This was done by crews that drove. That is why they went away from that system,maybe that doesn't happen now in the southern zones.

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I agree with hockeybc on this one. Plus a 9 day season puts more pressure on the big bucks, if you only had two days you'd be more likely to settle for any buck rather than holding out for a big one.

Yup, I remember back on the day of the 2 day season (before they started the all season licence) the motto was "If it's brown, its down". Now we can be more selective.

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God forbid to restrict the 8 month bow and 17 week muzzle loader season with any sex tags. That would be stupid... They have no agenda's in the upper levels of the DNR either... They are in it for the deer and you hunters I think.

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Seeing as I'm a "transplant" to MN, can some of you guys educate me on the reasoning/rationale for switching to the continuous 9 day season?

I heard it was to aid in bringing the whitetail to extinction here in MN. Not sure I believe that though. Well, maybe I do.

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Seeing as I'm a "transplant" to MN, can some of you guys educate me on the reasoning/rationale for switching to the continuous 9 day season?

Two days of hunting isn't much fun.

Four days of hunting after the other group has hunted for two days isn't the greatest either.

Hunters asked for more time to hunt and got a nine day continuous season. It was already nine days in what was zone 2 at the time. Zone 4 was added to zone 2 and got the same nine day season.

It's been a while, I could be very wrong.

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Or maybe the DNR wanted expand opportunity for the hunters to enjoy their season on their terms instead of so hurried . After all im sure the change occurred to benefit the hunters and allow more choices to get together with family and friends and enjoy the outdoors together .

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Hunters asked for more time to hunt and got a nine day continuous season. It was already nine days in what was zone 2 at the time. Zone 4 was added to zone 2 and got the same nine day season.

Thanks to you and the others who responded.

Where was the "line" between zone 2 and zone 4 at the time?

You say hunters asked for more time to hunt...was that an organized effort by some group or what? Did the DNR ask hunters "would you like a 9 day season and to combine zone 4 with zone 2?"

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Or maybe the DNR wanted expand opportunity for the hunters to enjoy their season on their terms instead of so hurried . After all im sure the change occurred to benefit the hunters and allow more choices to get together with family and friends and enjoy the outdoors together .

Well, lets expand it more then. People have busy lives these days and we might as well just add another week for zone 2 so we can enjoy the time with family and friends as long as those in zone 1. Its just fair isnt it?

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Thanks for posting that pic hockey...gives me some historical perspective on my area.

I can certainly see how switching a unit from the old zone 4 rules to zone 2 rules could indeed impact the herd. Especially if in old zone 4 antlerless harvest had some type of restriction then went to Managed or Intensive when placed into zone 2.

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