New AIS law

[TruthWalleyes]

ME ME ME ME ME ME. The problem with this world is most people only think about themselves and how it impacts them. Time to think about the big picture and what helps EVERYONE not just what kind of a pain in the butt this will be for YOU.

Its all about me. It's gonna take ME a lot longer. Blah blah blah.

As Harveylee said come up with a better solution rather than to complain about how much it affects YOU.

Never seen or heard so many supposedly grown men whine and cry about something. Really makes me sick. GROW UP AND FACE THE FACTS.

Seriously this thread is turning into a bunch of whiny women.

I have no solution at this time but you will not see me whining like a little girl about it either.

OK go a head and bash me now and continue your little whining rants and keep proving me right.

I got no problem with the bait laws or the draining of boat laws.

What makes me laugh is all the leaky boats that also retain water in the hulls while trasporting. Boats like mine.

I'll be transfering invasive species all year long...legally...so ya, this is dumb.

[amateurfishing]

ME ME ME ME ME ME. The problem with this world is most people only think about themselves and how it impacts them. Time to think about the big picture and what helps EVERYONE not just what kind of a pain in the butt this will be for YOU.

B I N G O!!!!

The big deal is it is dumb, and wont solve anything.

Did you need to put a new sticker on your car when the law changed that you needed to wear your seat belt?

How about a sticker that you put on your gun that says you cant use a spot light to shine deer at night?

If you own a pistol, how about a sticker that says you cant use it for robberies?

How about a sticker that comes with all baseball bats that says you cant use it to bust windshields in cars?

I didnt get any of those stickers, so I should be able to do those things right? Or are they not against the law because there isnt a sticker for it?

Can you understand the reason people are against the stickers? It isnt that it is a inconvenience, it is more of, why?

Should there be a sticker on every pair of pants that says dont pee into the wind? If we didnt have a sticker, how would we know we shouldnt do that?

I think ur best choice is not to fish, almost anything govt does in your eyes is wrong. its a harmless way to inform ppl. if you dont like it, come up with a better way and have someone important try to advance it. constant complaints and negatives will get you nowhere. try positive thoughts and solutions for a change.

[foo]

Exactly----tackle the problem just like they did the sea lamprey----that's not the method we are currently spending the money on. They are trying to stop the spread---which they can't.

So start working on actual solutions like they did with the sea lamprey problem. Powerwashers, stickers, and fines are not solutions to controlling the mussels. These are to prevent the spread---

People don't want nothing done but me personally, I would trade each powerwasher the DNR has for a scientist sitting in a lab and studying the biology of the mussels. That's my answer for some alternatives to what they are current doing.

[Scott M]

[DTro]

Yeah lets face the facts.....wait....what were the facts again?

Oh yeah zebes are the devils spawn and will destroy every lake they come in contact with

so can the dnr go ahead and make any law they want and we can't question it without being called whiners? Gimme a break.

[foo]

Yeah lets face the facts.....wait....what were the facts again?

Oh yeah zebes are the devils spawn and will destroy every lake they come in contact with

so can the dnr go ahead and make any law they want and we can't question it without being called whiners? Gimme a break.

That is right. I question how unwisely these new laws are being made and the methods they are using (waste) the money and somehow, I am against the govt and DNR and want to do nothing.

So how about trading those power washers for some really bright aquatic biologists to work on the problem?

Seems like a better idea doesn't it?

[GrizzlyAdams]

Instead of wasting money on a FREE sticker, Maybe they should charge everyone with a boat $10 for the sticker and put 100% of that money into finding a solution to the problem.

Who cares if I have another sticker on my boat.

If everyone would read the reg books they wouldn't need the sticker as stated earlier. It is education. How much happier would you be about this sticker if you were charged for it also. It is a heck of a lot cheaper than paying several people to sit at landings even just on weekends just to educate those that choose not to read the regs.

Start asking people about this sticker and no one even knows what it is. I know people personally that never read the reg books and just assume they know everything. I read it cover to cover every year. Those of us on this site know all about these issues because they are beaten to death on these forums yet very few have any real insight as to how to solve the problem. And we on here are a very small percentage of the thousands that use our great resources in any given year.

The sticker is a done deal so deal with it and move on to finding a solution rather than complain about something so minor.

Some of you keep bringing up having stickers for everything. However the majority of the things those of you have listed are things that you are "tested for" i.e Gun safety classes, driving exams, etc.

By the way those that want to pee in the wind go ahead. Common sense isn't all that common any more obviously.

I think we are all here for the best interest of our great outdoors but this bury your head in the sand attitude has me second guessing that.

[Grum]

Stickers are neat, but balloons would be more fun!

[GrizzlyAdams]

Since when does the DNR actually make the laws. Last I knew it was our great politicians that do that.

People constantly bashing the DNR when that is not the right people to bash.

But your right let's not do anything at all for your convenience and see where it takes us.

Sorry kids, our generation was too lazy and self centered to do anything about the problem before it was too late so go ahead and enjoy what's left for you. Good luck diggin your way out.

Is this what I should tell my kids about THEIR resource. Because ultimately it is theirs to inherit.

[DTro]

The scare tactics are working well, thats for sure

[GrizzlyAdams]

Obviously

[Scott K]

Stickers are neat, but balloons would be more fun!

Now I would put a balloon on my boat! Or how about one of those giant inflatable gorillas at each landing. They work for car dealers, why not AIS??

So we arent suppose to question supid laws? We are just suppose to accept it, because it is law, and it is done with? Really?

What if they made it a law that says each time you step on the crack on the side walk, you need to pat your head. Would you be avoiding stepping on the crack, and patting your head all day long? Or would you question the need for the stupid law to begin with? Kinda like we are doing.

Free sticker?? Do you really think they are free? I am betting they have more then $1 each into those stickers. More then likely double that.

[Desperado]

240 yrs ago the symbol of King George's tyranny got dumped into Boston Harbor

anyone wanna dress up as mussels and lampreys then go dump a few cases of stickers in Duluth harbor ?

[GrizzlyAdams]

Exactly, So maybe they should charge us for that sticker and put the money towards research.

Because the only excuse I am hearing is that they are wasting money on a useless sticker.

How else should they come up with the money. Higher taxes all around. Even higher license fees

Or what else would you like to receive in place of a sticker for your money.

[amateurfishing]

no one said (i dont think) that you cannot question law, that is democracy and freedom of independent thinking. But questioning is completely different from complaining. questioning asks why and maybe offers up a different/better idea. complaining (which some are doing) just talks bout same ole thing over & over again like beating a dead horse

[foo]

Scare tactics is right.

I was talking to a elderly couple that live on a large popular lake here in OTC and they were convinced that they had to stop tournaments from taking place and keeping outside boats in general off the lake before they infected the lake and then have property values plummet!

Oh my goodness!

I informed them that the mussels were already in the river system that is connected to the lake and, it was a boat lift not a boat that did that---well the conversation just sort of ended there.

[Desperado]

well what else is a dead horse any good for ?

it's not even legal, in this country, to make dog food out 'em anymore

[DTro]

Talk about me me me me

Here are some facts. People don’t want zebes because they wreck their swimming area or they clog up the intake on their fancy lake lawn watering system or they attach themselves to the big yachts. An inconvenience if you will.

Here are some more facts. There are plenty of lakes and rivers here in MN already with Zebes and Milfoil and soon to be Asian Carp. In FACT, one of the greatest walleye lakes in the state is loaded with Zebes. Last time I checked, things were status quo up there. Heck, the Rainy River is infested with AIS and people were recently waiting for hours just to launch their boat to get on it and fish.

Bottom line is that what we are trying to do here like trying to keep a single dandelion out of our yard. No matter HOW HARD you try and HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPEND that little bugger will find a way to grow. Mother Nature always wins and the strongest always survive.

So you wanted a better solution and here it is. Punt….and hope for good field position.

[Scott K]

Exactly, So maybe they should charge us for that sticker and put the money towards research.

Because the only excuse I am hearing is that they are wasting money on a useless sticker.

How else should they come up with the money. Higher taxes all around. Even higher license fees

Or what else would you like to receive in place of a sticker for your money.

The sticker isnt doing anything. So how about we spend the money on improving boat landings? Adding a few more CO's to actually do what they were intended for, not giving people grief about a sticker, and pulling people over because they have a boat. Or having them man a boat wash. Do we really need to pay someone $50k a year to check to see if you have a weed on your trailer? Being the DNR was so short funded, they needed more money, how about they spend it on stuff that will make a difference.

How many hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent on "slowing the spread" of AIS, that could be spent on stuff that will make a difference. Even if they spend 1 billion doolars on this, how may lakes will that prevent from getting it? And the lakes that get Zeebs, and milfoil, how much damage will it actually cause those lakes? Will the few that will have the eco system altered, be worth a billion dollars? Spend it on research, or address where it came from in the first place. Until then, you are using a finger to plug a hole in the side of the hoover dam, that will continue to spring leaks daily.

[foo]

Because the only excuse I am hearing is that they are wasting money on a useless sticker.

And for the record they are also wasting money on the gold-plated, high powered, ultra aerodynamic, evasive blasting, super mega power washers as well.

I wish they would have contacted me first as I have them on sale for $14,000 THIS WEEK ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sonicrunch]

The sticker is the best option we have. It increases awareness.

[BEEFEATER]

the water in his bucket isent effecting anything folks. Thats the point. And if u think otherwise its cuz the dnr or the media has done a poor job informing people on how these disease;s were spread. step on the lil man as usually, make em change the water in his bullhead bucket, yet let huge commercial vessals with hundreds of gallons of water in their ballist to change waterways without so much as a hassel.

[GrizzlyAdams]

Just for the record. I don't fully agree with the sticker deal either. I also feel it is a waste of money to a point. But so is a T.V. commercial telling us not to text and drive. Common sense isn't it???

How about having to put a caution warning on a cup of coffee from mcdonalds because someone sued them and won the case that they did not "warn" you that the coffee was hot. Common sense.

The sticker is not the answer to this problem. I agree with you 100%. But what other way that is cheaper can you get the point across to the masses to atleast "slow" it down.

When your boat is about to run out of gas do you wait til it does or fill it up before it runs out.

I understand it is a pain in the rear to have to drain your boat, pull the plug, check for weeds, etc but people continue not to do it due to ignorance or they just don't care. I am not at all saying that it is any of you reading this. Not at all. But in order to get it through to those that choose to be ignorant (again I am only directing this to the public in general that we all see at a lot of lakes and landings) We have to have "Stickers" or some other way of education.

I also agree that the money could be spent better on research. But again why not try and slow it now until research finds a "cure".

No these AIS's will not have a negative effect on every lake but can have a great effect on others, possibly making them unfishable. Is that fair to those that have to now drive much further to fish when there are very few fishable lakes in the area already or should they just stop fishing altogether.

What Harveylee was asking in the beginning of this thread is can we all find a way to work together in finding a plan that works for everyone or atleast the majority of the state. We are all sportsman trying to support and maintain our great resources. I just want to see that the generations after ours get to enjoy them as much as we do.

I appologize if any one has taken offense to my previous posts. They came over a little to strong at times and I should have worded them different. We all have opinions and that's what makes us individuals. But again can we bring this thread back to what would work instead of what we don't like about it.

No hard feelings

[reinhard1]

never liked those things, made me dizzy . good luck.

[Scott K]

Grizzly,

Can you tell me that it is a fight worth fighting? Is it not going to be a waste of money over all? Is it really that bad if we let mother nature run its course. It may have a negative effect on a couple lakes, but it may make other many times better. I know of a few lakes that now have milfoil in them, and it went from a stunted lake to now producing nice fish. Zeebs, are more of another food source for most fish. Can you give me one example where zeebs have hurt the fishing?

The way I look at it is, sure it may not be an ideal to allow the transfer, and I wouldnt recommend spreading it on purpose, but what exactly are we trying to prevent? Some weed beds? Another food source? Does anyone actually think they arent going to get to every lake sooner or later any how? Some lakes certain AIS may thrive, some it may not ever take off. Some lakes will benefit, some wont. Some may be hard to fish in during the mid summer months. My biggest question is, how much is it worth to "try" to slow it.

Is it worth millions of dollars for stickers? Taking CO's away from their under staffed responsibilities to examine every boater? To push the declining interest in fishing even further away? The DNR complains there are less and less people getting involved into fishing. Do you thinking micro managing everything, adding many many laws every year, and now increasing the license fee is going to get more people interested in fishing? To be honest, I stopped walleye fishing many years ago, I used to be a die hard. Now, the last time I went was with you and HL to Rainy. Why? I am just not interested in all of the politics that go along with it. I am losing interest. Now I was a diehard, can you imagine what just your average fishermen are going to do? I guess if they keep nitpicking, they will slow the spread, because they will lose a larger volume of fishermen. Pretty much what the lake home owners want.