NFL Black Monday

[LMITOUT]

So who will be getting the ax tomorrow?

Tuner?

Morris?

Spagnuolo?

Leslie?

Caldwell?

[Scott M]

With Haley and Sparano gone, my money is on Morris, Spags, maybe Norv.

[Scott M]

Reports are saying Spags is gone

[basssmasher*]

hopefully Frazier too!!

[Rick]

I think after today Morris is a goner as well.

[LMITOUT]

Reports are saying Spags is gone

Noted!

Added Caldwell to the list also.

[LMITOUT]

It is nearing noon on the day after the final weekend of the season...why hasn't Leslie and his band of inept men been given walking papers yet?

Must be due to that epic win at Washington last week, keeping them from going 2-14 and achieving the worst record in franchise history.

[Scott M]

Morris is gone

[nofishfisherman]

Wilf's not going to fire Frazier, not this season at least.

If he fired Leslie he'd owe him the rest of the contract, plus he's still paying Childress, and he'd have to pay whoever he hired as a new coach. I don't think Wilf wants to pay 3 head coaches at the same time.

Besides I think you need to give a coach more than 1 year to make an impact. Particularily after losing most of the off season due to the lockout. If you become known as an owner that will fire a guy after only 1 year I think you'll end up making viable candidates think twice about taking the job. Most guys want to know they have at least some time to turn things around and that the owner doesn't demand a one year miracle turn around.

If we are 3-13 again next season then we'll have something to talk about as I don't think he'll survive another year with no progress being made.

[TR21HP]

Not to hijack the thread but I've got a novel idea, lets fire the players!

I've never seen such talented athletes but poor football players as I see today. Highschool and college coaches have to do a much better job of teaching these players how to play the game because you will not get by with physically gifted players alone at this level.

[LMITOUT]

Not to hijack the thread but I've got a novel idea, lets fire the players!

Who "hired" the players, and will continue to hire players unless Zygi drops a bomb on the front office?

Want more of the same? Then don't make any changes.

[TR21HP]

Agreed Lmitout but the coaches and front office are not the only ones to blame here. What makes you think Zygi isn't a major part of the problem? It does start at the top. I am advocating for changes but wholesale changes from the top down.

[LMITOUT]

If he fired Leslie he'd owe him the rest of the contract, plus he's still paying Childress, and he'd have to pay whoever he hired as a new coach. I don't think Wilf wants to pay 3 head coaches at the same time.

What exactly are the details of Leslie's contract? Years left? Money due? Anybody know?

Worrying about paying off Leslie to send him down the road shouldn't be a reason for retaining him. They have the cash. If they don't then maybe they shouldn't have signed Peterson to a $100M deal which will be a waste if he has to play under somebody as inept as Leslie.

[FutbolGuru]

Whether or not Leslie Frazier is the coach of this team is a moot point until the Vikes get a stadium deal.

[LMITOUT]

Moot point? Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? If anything he should be fired ASAP to show the public that the owner wants to move this team forward which will only help with the stadium push.

[LMITOUT]

Back to Black Monday...

Just announced: Colts fired president Bill Polian, GM Chris Polian, and their entire front office.

[CJH]

The Polians (Pres + GM) were fired in Indy, so Caldwell is probably not far behind.

[FutbolGuru]

Moot point? Isn't that putting the cart before the horse? If anything he should be fired ASAP to show the public that the owner wants to move this team forward which will only help with the stadium push.

Yes, a moot point; from a fan's perspective.. as in, I'm so glad I didn't spend all of that time last offseason on an internet forum arguing about Leslie Frazier and whether or not he should be the head coach of the Minnesota Vikings now that their franchise has moved and they are no longer the Minnesota Vikings.

[simple1]

It would be crazy to fire the head coach after 1 full season, 1 rookie QB with no off-season, and the receiver core is horrid. I will like to see what he does next year and if they can fill some holes on defense and offense. I think the owner should fire the GM next year also. He has made some very bad decisions that are going to haunt the Vikes for a long time. I honestly don't think the best coach in the NFL could have made an 8-8 team out of these Vikes with the Pack, Lions, and Bears in their division.

Simple1

[oleWalter]

Vikes don't even have a GM to fire... We need to get rid of Spielman at least and hire a GM to make some respectable personnel transactions.

[bucketmouth64]

Zygi should think about replacing some front office people. Don't have the triangle of authority. Get a football guy that can run the operations, like a Polian. He can't dwell on this and lose possible replacements. Spielmann isn't the right guy for this club and I wonder about Studwell's evaluations of college talent. Spagnuolo would be a good replacement for defensive coordinator.

[Scott M]

I would take Bill Polian in a heartbeat! Buffalo, Carolina, and Indianapolis all had their most successful years with Polian in the front office. He's missed a few picks of late with the Colts, but he was smart enough to take Peyton over Ryan Leaf. The Vikes front office is a joke; there is a reason successful businesses don't operate with that kind of hierarchy...accountability being one of several reasons.

[B. Amish]

spielman promoted to vikings gm.

[LMITOUT]

*yawn*

While it is good to see that they are establishing the position of General Manager, they are just rearranging chairs on a sinking ship.

Bring in some new warm bodies and then get back to me.

[simple1]

Wow! Spielman should not have been promoted. The Vikings have not been brining in the talent via the draft. I will give you Peterson and Harvin, but a team is built with later round draft picks. Also, they should have waited to see what happened and spoke with many other people before making this decision. I would look at teams that have done well building through the draft and see who they have available.

I don't have a crystal ball, but this looks to be a bad decision.