commen courtesy hunting?

[Dylan33]

. I'll deal with it next year one way or another.

I just want to say to please "deal with it" in a civil, grown up approach to the issue. Putting out a loud radio, or scarcrow in blaze orange could really get some people upset. By the sounds of it, this group likes to drink and hunt...Please don't upset anyone who is young, and drunk with guns. it isn't a good combo.

Be the bigger man, and just walk away.

[jay83196]

Thanks for all the honest feedback.

[Musky Buck]

Sell that 10 acres to them and pull the pin, next year will repeat itself and the year after that and after that etc. I deal with plenty of similar somewhat stuff, you just have to realize it's 2011 and the good ol fun deer hunting days are over in many areas, I have 4 wheelers and 6 wheelers and trucks and etc driving to and from AM and PM hunts and none of us are seeing squat of course, you always hold out hope for a hot doe which never happens anymore, and everyone placed stands on all sides of my properties, it's just the way it is, expect to get and see fewer deer but expect more and more things you never had to deal with in the past. Sell it ASAP and keep hunting where you open the season, try to save it they probably drove your 10 acre patch when you're gone, don't take this the wrong way but 10 acres 2 guns, do your bullets stop on your 10 after firing, I'm not so sure 10 acres and less should be gun hunted as those bullets end up where ? 10 acres is what 220 yards long by 110 wide or so? Good luck with that, sell it and the headache will end.

[96trigger]

I have seen this before with people. Unfortunately, it can become unreconcilable if two sides start trading cheap shots. You are probably better off moving to another portion of your land. If you have food plots, try and move them. They spent the money on the acreage, and can do with it what they see fit, unfortunately, regardless of the neighbors. They are probably not happy with you either. I would probably try and talk to them and see what kind of people they are. If they are reasonable, maybe you guys could work something out together. If not, I would move the stand and possibly even the food plots. If they are baiting, then I would call the TIP line. It sound a little like they are taking advantage of your food plots, and you are taking advantage of the land around you, owning a small chunk and trying to maximize its use by putting stand(s) on the edges. Not uncommon, not even unethical. But when the day ends, you are stuck with a small parcel and have to deal with it. I can see both sides of the story. What makes it worse, for you Jay, is that you don't like how these people hunt as you think it ruins your hunting. If that is the case, you will need to move your stand. I am not calling you out or anything like that, just giving you some logical feedback on what will probably have to be the end result for both of you to coexist in that location.

[jay83196]

Bigger man....lol everybody has said or implied I shouldn't feel upset about this or should expect it and maybe had it coming. That being said I won't be doing anything wrong (or illegal) if I ride my wheeler or have a radio on my property and neighbors shouldn't be my concern anymore than I should expect them to care about my needs. Not sure what I will do but I guarantee their needs or concerns will not ever be a factor. I will continue follow laws and be ethical with animals but fellow neighbor/hunter won't matter.

Thanks again for the eye opening comments, serously think I have put others needs to much a priority I would have felt I was in wrong if I was them for a lot of their actions.

[mabr]

Jay, Id say Musky was right on. It’s unfortunate but a fact, the days of common courtesy are gone for the most part. You brought up the fishing deal. I’ve long giving up trying to find any type of seclusion while fishing any species. Someone’s going to join you eventually.

We’ve all had it happen to us, and I know I wouldn’t do what others have done to me or what they did to your friends at your place. But unfortunately that’s us and we’re fast becoming a minority. One thing you haven’t mentioned is did you have issues when you usually hunted it? This came to my mind while I was reading through the posts. What if they (or put yourself in their shoes YOU) had hunted here for however many years and now your never present neighbor shows up and ruined your traditional hunting stand. Perfectly legal but even I would be a little upset. I wouldn’t do what they did but I’d be a little ticked off for sure if that were the case.

One word of advice though, I think most who are reading this can sense your anger about the whole thing. Been there done it as I’m sure most have. But it’s easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar. Just my 2 cents

[96trigger]

Please don't read my post and think I am sticking up for them. I am not. I am trying to offer alternatives or best case solutions to your problem because, the fact of the matter is, there is not much you can do about it. I think it really sucks for you, they ruined your hunt, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Thats too bad, nobody likes that.

I remember one year I called and rattled in a nice buck only to have it shot by a neighbor on the other side of the fence about as close to the lined fence as I was. It sucked, yes, but there wasn't much I could do about, nor could I hold any ill will towards that person. They didn't ruin my hunt, and maybe I enhanced theirs. Bummer on my part, good for them. I got over it and have had many years of good hunting down there. Sometimes they have people on either side of me and I have to hope that the deer come from another direction. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

[shortfatguy]

Pretty sure what the op is upset about is not the fact that they are there but what they are doing while they are there. Loud noises all night, wandering around the vicinity of his stand during prime hunting hours etc. Sad fact is that many people have no common sense let alone common courtesy. It's crappy situation. Good luck.

[Boar]

Ive had family members come up an build trails an stands right in the middle of bear baiting with no mind to the time an money invested in my efforts. just didnt care. ive had neighboring land owners again this year play stupid an wander over the line, every year its something. i would be upset to, but you said a key word, that being "kids" If you feel they did it on purpose to protest your stand, i try to live by karma an continue to TRY an do mature things thru out my passions, if things dont work out during bear but keeping positive maybe things will be better during deer if not then muzzy if not then icefishing. I feel ur pain bud, keep a possitive attitude an move on, thier karma will come back to them too. Later baor

[jay83196]

When I said kids they are 25-30 years old just meant its the owners kids. I know there is nothing I can do and they are perfectly legal actions ( except corn being put out). Just figure if its ok for them to ruin my hunting being rude and thoughtless its ok for me to ruin theirs being legal and just as thoughtless....turning the other cheek is over rated and either in the end I make a point and it is fixed and we work together or nobody gets to hunt with success on this area, I hunt elsewhere the first week they don't. Until so many convinced me on here that their actions are reasonable as it is their land I would not have done much on return because I thought it was inconsiderate to effect their hunt but I was wrong its correct if its your own land and no laws broken should be able to do what you want on your own land. And I will start doing that.

[Boar]

Well good luck jay

[psepuncher]

Just an FYI to those who posted in regards to the 500' rule.

For firearms hunting or shooting a firearm on your property.

if you are the landowner or have given written permission to another person there are no 500' restrictions against you for discharging a firearm. But if there is a livestock corral on the adjoining property within 500' they will need your permission to discharge a firearm.

My neighbor's stand is less than 50 yards {125'}from my front porch.

3 calls to DNR and one to the sherrif resulted in the same answer

good luck

[96trigger]

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Until so many convinced me on here that their actions are reasonable as it is their land I would not have done much on return because I thought it was inconsiderate to effect their hunt but I was wrong its correct if its your own land and no laws broken should be able to do what you want on your own land.

They are inconsiderate, they may purposely be trying to negatively effect your hunting. I'm not sure what you wanted all of us to say. Most of us on here are looking at objectively. You, however, are unable to because it is happening to you. Have you talked to them? Ever? How do you know they are unreasonable? Inconsiderate, definitely, but maybe they can be reasonable. It sounds like you already made up your mind on what you are going to do and that you already have passed judgement on them without discussing the situation. I wish you the best in resolving this issue diplomatically, neighborly, and peacefully. Hopefully, both sides can come to some agreement or compromise. I'm truly sorry if you did not get the answers that you wanted on here. I know some posts were a little harsh right away.

[Getanet]

Jay, it's pretty obvious from your first post on that you're more interested in revenge than resolution. You said from the start that you've decided to leave a radio blasting all season to ruin their hunt as they ruined yours. Not "we're thinking about it" or "we joked about it."

It seems you came here looking for justification for those feelings, and instead found people that said it sucks but that's life. I haven't seen one post where people said it's great what they did or that we wouldn't be unhappy in those circumstances.

Give it a break for a few weeks, see if you're as fired up about it 3 weeks from now as you are today. Try talking to the land owner (not his kid) one last time before you spend the next 11 months plotting how you can turn this into the Hatfield & McCoys.

You also seemed upset that their hunting location in an attempt to intercept deer on the way to your food plot. Considering they only have 40 acres of land, that will be the case even if they sit on the exact opposite side from you land.

By the way, you left out an important detail in your post - did you and your dad get a deer on your land this year?

[Dylan33]

jay- the difference in what it sounds like your neighbors are doing, and what you are planning on doing is INTENT. If your neighbors are just ignorant, and stupid(by the sounds of it, they are), then a conversation with them is the best course of action. Tell them WHY their actions are making you mad.

Their INTENT is not to upset you, or ruin your hunt. They might not know they are doing anything wrong.

It sounds like you are going to go out of yor way to do something to upset your neighbors. That is the difference. I'm not telling you what to do, rather be aware that your actions will cause retaliation on their part. If they are young, dumb, drinking, and have weapons, then it will NOT turn out good for anyone. Seriously, just chalk it up to a-holes being a-holes, and walk away from the situation.

[nofishfisherman]

Just figure if its ok for them to ruin my hunting being rude and thoughtless its ok for me to ruin theirs being legal and just as thoughtless....turning the other cheek is over rated and either in the end I make a point and it is fixed and we work together or nobody gets to hunt with success on this area, I hunt elsewhere the first week they don't. Until so many convinced me on here that their actions are reasonable as it is their land I would not have done much on return because I thought it was inconsiderate to effect their hunt but I was wrong its correct if its your own land and no laws broken should be able to do what you want on your own land. And I will start doing that.

Sheesh, well so much for being the bigger man. Good luck resolving the issue with that tactic. Sounds like you are looking to fuel this thing into bitter long lasting border battle.

I'm not sure why you are so opposed to just talking with the neighbors. Right now with the approach you are planning on I don't see you as being any better than the neighbor. You want common courtesy but you aren't willing to extend it yourself. This just sounds like two inmature landowners who don't have the common decency to resolve their differences in a civilized adult manner.

Glad I don't like any where near the two of you guys.

[Bear55]

This just sounds like two inmature landowners who don't have the common decency to resolve their differences in a civilized adult manner.

I agree nofishfisherman. Jay if I had to guess I would say the neighbors went out of their way to ruin your hunt, I wouldn't have done that but I am sure not going to bend over backwards to help someone 15 yards from the property line and 100 yards from my cabin get a deer. To be honest someone hunting that close would make me a little nervous, doesn't matter who was there first there is a building there now. Building a stand to take advantage of your food plots might be the first thing I would do, why let deer walk off my land to you when I can shoot them? It sucks they built their cabin there but whats done is done, you can be bitter about the whole thing and start trouble or make the best of it and reorganize your stand/plots to better suite you.

[jay83196]

As I stated earlier they were talked to and they blew it off and denied (lied) about parts of it. I absolutely would be adult enough and kind enough to approach them or anybody if I have an issue with them(I wouldn't expect anybody to fix or understand a situation or my feelings unless I talked to them RESPECTFULLY ) , but once they don't care and show respect or courtesy for me gloves off. Like I said earlier I don't need or want justification I know they are in the wrong I have done nothing wrong in the least. My stand has been there for years, in fact I let them use it once several yeArs ago they left garbage in it. Anyway its been interesting and somewhat surprising to read all the comments and I did mean when I said thanks and that it has open my mind as to whaif its legal and my land it is my prerogative to do on my land what I want...for example if they act continue these behaviors I won't waste my time hinting but a wheeler ride or grouse hunt would be fun... In the past I would have sit in and watched tv to be courteous to their hunting. I would be embarrassed to put my activities over anothers, honestly I was probably too worried about it.

[Surface Tension]

I'm looking at this from another angle.

The width of your 10 acres is about the same distance from your stand to their cabin.

If you feel that 10 acres is sufficient to hunt on then there shouldn't be an issue with the distance their cabin is from our stand.

It could be they know where your stand is and are hunting close to the cabin as to stay away from you.

What happens if you lung shoot a deer on your 10 acres and it runs off your land and toward the cabin?

Would you like some consideration from the landowner and be able to recover that deer off your property during daylight hours?

It just seems that you think the adjacent landowners should give you a large buffer zone around your 10 acres.

Yet your stand is close to the property line.

[jay83196]

I have no problem with them doing their normal thing around their cabin or saying they shouldn't even hunt around it. Let me be clear by stand is positioned only windows to shoot out of face my property forward away from their cabin(its backed up to the wood line) , I would have to shoot through the back side of the wall. I think its crappy to hunt next to another hunter, I wouldn't do it. Especially when they never before have and their property goes the other way 30 acres and they have good places to hunt. Them walking out by my stand during hunting hours putting out corn or just to walk around not hunting was very inconsiderate when they know is hunting in the stand. But as said its their land and not breaking the law and you guys are probably right I shouldn't expect the courtesy I would have given them. I'm not asking them to do anything but a little space 50yds and not cutting my stand off. Walk around the cabin is expected and they should have fun, just would expect a hunter not to hunt so close unless they didn't have other options. I understand all your opinions and its opened my eyes a little on their perspective.

[LoonASea]

Didnt you state in the original post that this was your dads land ,,,He should be the one handling this issue ,,,Just my opinion

LAS

[deerminator]

One of my spots is about 250 feet behind our house in our woods. Over the years, neighbors have moved in and turned seasonal cabins into full time residences. Lots of loud yard work (raking, mowing, chainsawing) is done 100-200 feet from many of the prime trails during deer season. And the neighbors are walking up and down their driveways and driving down them for various reasons. All of this restricts deer movement but I don't resent them for being inconsiderate. They are living their lives on their own properties - and their lives don't revolve around deer hunting - so I can't expect them to consider my hunting when it comes to everything they do. When you're hunting urban settings or just near buildings and dwellings in rural areas, you have to accomodate. Personally, I like it because it means the window of opportunity to see deer is short but the movement great often. 99 percent of the deer I see in our woods move withiin the first two hours of daylight or the last hour before it gets dark into the fields. Therefore, my neighbors have made my hunting more efficient!

[Bear55]

I think its crappy to hunt next to another hunter, I wouldn't do it.

I shouldn't expect the courtesy I would have given them.

I'm not asking them to do anything but a little space 50yds and not cutting my stand off.

See when you combine these statements and yet hunt a stand 15 yards from the property line you should expect to run into problems. Regardless of which directions your windows are facing you expect them to give you a buffer (their land) and not cut you off or hunt near you (again their land). You ask for common courtesy but if you plan on hunting property lines I would make the buffer on your own side of the line or expect ruffled feathers from both sides.

[jay83196]

I can understand that but it hardly compares your talking about people just living their lives at their home not a cabin only frequented weekends here and there and this time of year only the hunting season to hunt purposely right next to me or walk around an area only during prime hunting time...you take those same neighbors and suppose they played loud music or drove a dirt bikes loudly at 2am and there was no noise ordinance its legal but still not considerate or right., say you were trying to sleep because you were getting up early to hunt. And my father and I are both dealing with it, was my friends and I using it the day that our hunts were ruined.

[jay83196]

It's hard to describe the area my fault forgot explaining so many of details better, but my stand is in open only place I can put it they hunt a mowed path 10 yds wide on edge of the woods CMon man....they have one shot of about 30 yds unless they shoot on my property my stand angles away from them toward our land. If I had a picture it would show it better. And its as far from line as I could put it unless I put in pond or in thick woods.