Coach Frazier??

[Scott K]

Well said RH1!

[Stcloudangler]

Free Time? A Vikings fan has nothing but during this time of year.

Please, the way you are talking lately.... dont call yourself that.

[Shack]

now it's head coach frazier. the proccess of staff begins and selecting players for next years team. drafts [i hear we get the 12th ist round pick}, trades, free agent signings ect. this webb talk is redicules. will he or will he not be a starting qb for the vikes will be decided after training camp with other qb's in competition just like every other player. the only position i see as for sure is running back and peterson has that. i think frazier is a good choice and will get results. good luck.

Just the other week it was a love fest for Frazier and Webb in here. Webb was our answer.

For one, this is the Vikings. Anyone or anything could be playing for us next season. The only two I would put money down on right now is Peterson and Williams. For two, you are Plan 9 if you ever thought that I thought Webb would ever start the 2011 season for us.

Originally Posted By: Stcloudangler

Please, the way you are talking lately.... dont call yourself that.

LOL! If you have been following my views on the Vikings more than my last couple posts, you would know. For once I disagree with the direction the Vikes org is going and now I can not call myself a fan? Well, then we sure have a ton of members who can not call themselves one either. I encourage you to look back and pull even one post I vented even close to this over the last 4 years.

Sorry for pointing out the obvious at the end of a loosing season, again. I will leave the Frazier crowd to its love festing.

[zepman]

Shack, your posts on the Vikings are ridiculous.

[Shack]

Thanks Zep.

[reinhard1]

first of all i have always been a supporter of frazier. second of all i have not had a love fest with webb, although i feel he will be a contender for qb just like others have been. i addressed the redicules, to all who have judged webb as a starter or a failure. i dont know if you put those plans for the vikes as sarcasm or for real. so i put it as sarcasm because none of the plans makes sense for they are opinion based just like my opinions. i am a viking fan regardless of the seasons results. just a fan, like bear fans or packer fans. no team will win the division every year. where are the don shulas, bud grants, and tom landry's? coaches come and go. hopefully frazier will have a few good years or more. long term coaches are a rare find. good luck.

[Shack]

Sorry RH1. I did not mean you were involved in the events a week or so ago. That is where I left off last time in this forum. I am also not ruling out Webb as a starter, but just not next year. Picked up on your sarcasm and I hope most picked up on mine. As much of a joke it was putting it together, the more I thought about it I thought it was not out of the bounds of reality.

I guess I finally came around to the mindset that was the same as many in here that Childress was a poor coach. Frazier was part of this poor coaches master plan and IMO embedded heavily. Add it in with a 3/3 record and IMO it just seems like the old here we go again.

[Stcloudangler]

If you honestly believe a team will go 6-0 when already mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, well....

There was no coach from the grave that would have gotten that. There was a significant upgrade in the "try" factor in the last 6 games though. That should be enough to give him a shot. And please, get a new offensive coordinater Lesile.

[timjones]

None of this really matters. Next season won't exist because of the lock out and then the season after that they will be playing in some other state.

[FISHINGURU]

Frazier said he has “a ton of respect” for Spielman. Their first collaborative task is obvious: find a quarterback, or two. Favre is finally retiring, and Frazier said he wouldn’t ask the 41-year-old to reconsider again.

“I can’t think of any circumstance of where I would pick up the phone and say, ‘Brett, do you want to come back next season?”’ Frazier said.

“We don’t want to be a team that’s hovering around 4-12, 3-13. You don’t want to be that. At the same time, you don’t want to bring in a stopgap guy and not develop a young quarterback for the future,” he added. “I think we all want a young quarterback that we can develop and build our franchise around. That would be ideal, to find the next Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco.”

[TR21HP]

stcloudangler hit it right on the head, get rid of Bevell and right away. When your offense looks pathetic to the Lions with what the Lions have to work with versus the Vikings it is time for a change. With that being said what the coaches tell the players to do and what happens on the fiels are two different things.Over the past few years I've never seen better athletes but such poor football players in the league. These players have gotten by on their sheer athletic talent through high school and college but the pro game is an entirely different animal. Maybe some of these veterans on the team will take their offseason workouts seriously instaed of coming into camp in terrible shape both body amd mind.

[zepman]

I don't think we really know what Bevell's offense looks like. We were still running Chilly's offense the last third of the season and he was pretty hand-cuffed by Webb being forced in to action.

The first pink slip I'd hand out would be the offensive line coach. Get a "Tice" like guy in here that will jump all over these guys when they underperform.

[TR21HP]

How about Mike Singletary as Defensive coordinator?

[Shack]

If you honestly believe a team will go 6-0 when already mathmatically eliminated from the playoffs, well....

There was no coach from the grave that would have gotten that. There was a significant upgrade in the "try" factor in the last 6 games though. That should be enough to give him a shot. And please, get a new offensive coordinater Lesile.

stcloudanger if this is directed towards me, which it might not have been, but I never thought 6-0 was a possibility because Frazier has never been a head coach. This makes the 3/3 look even better, but to "Crown Him" like some have already in here it sure would have been nice to see 5/1 or even 4/2. Heck Jason Garrett brought the bomb team of Dallas in at 5/3 and is still questionable, or was.

As ridiculous as this may sound to zepman, Frazier is unproven. I find it hilarious that some of those who shout unproven has no place in other aspects of the Vikings are now saying it is ok with the head coach. The unproven has really worked for us in the last two coaches hasn't? Heck, even Burns was brought up. We want to continue this? "Let's See What Happens" Hope that was not too ridiculous for you Zep.

[zepman]

Honestly, I don't think anyone "crowned" anyone on here. Frazier IS unproven as a head coach...what's your point. Gruden and Billeck both won Superbowls and both subsequently were fired only a few years later.

I like the fact that he's unproven and what I like even more is that he's been passed over 7 times for a head-coaching position. Les has a chip on his shoulder.

I said in an earlier thread that I think the Vikes should have cleaned house and started over with a whole new staff...I still think that may have been the right move. However, after listening to the players and others around the NFL talk about the amount of respect they all have for Frazier...I'm glad the Vikes are going to give him a chance.

[Shack]

Quote:

I'm glad the Vikes are going to give him a chance.

The more I have been learning and hearing about Frazier lately, the more I agree and admit I let the bum season get to me. I think even Bug Grant could have been wound back 40 years and hired as head coach and I still would have found fault. Back to reality and back to looking to high hopes next year for the Vikes. Again.

The moves Frazier has been making this week are showing he knows a change is needed. Just a little taste, but I assume many more are on their way.

[harvey lee]

Yep, you paint a clear picture of the usual here in MN. Like a fish swimming upstream in a dry up creek, the saga pushes on:

2010: Chilly Fired

2011: Frazier Hired as Head Coach. Webb starting OB as Frazier's step-child QB. Full season of play and strong run two games into playoffs, we lose on our third.

2012 Frazier head coaching & Webb starting QB. 3 weeks into the season Webb does not win a game. Frazier bows to media and fan base pressure, benches Webb for some second string lifer who ten years after the fact has found himself trying his hand with Vikings as a back-up. The switch is made, couple wins are had and a couple losses. Some lower body issue causes this QB not to play so Webb is back on the field. Second game of play offs we loose by two points in a fourth quarter close game.

2013: Frazier still head coach and some question about if Webb is starting or not. Webb starts and gets injured two games into the season and the replace back-up to last years back up comes in and takes us to a Div win. but sadly has a "bad" game on game one of the play-offs.

2014: Frazier still head coach and Webb has been the talk after not playing for almost two full seasons. Given the new trend set by Brett Favre in 2009, we find Terry Bradshaw as our starter for the season. We go deep in the playoffs but loose one game before our name is on the World Championship match-up bracket. Bradshaw goes down and surgery is performed during the off season.

2015: Frazier still head coach and Webb is somewhere on the bench. Terry Bradshaw is once again starter and due to a verbal halftime confrontation with a female reporter, Bradshaw is fearing a suspension.Webb is called in and ready to go, but the third string back-up threw a nice pass during pre-season. The fans remember and liked this. They want him, but Frazier would like to stick with the roster. Fans turn on Frazier and he is fired on the spot.

2016: Zigi Wilf trying to hold on to his franchise becomes head coach and hires the third string from the previous year as the starter because he also loved the throw he did the previous season. The Vikings go 0-18 this season. The players lost the the Union battle back in 2011 and were made to play an extra two regulation games per season under the new contract. Wild sells the Vikings after the season end and a new owner starts planning for 2017.

Mean while in 2016, Micheal Vick wins his second Super Bowl ring and the dark cloud that covered him is gone as Hall of Fame talk is had. Vick, during a Bob Costas interview, openly giggles while trying to hold back when the Vikings are brought up.

Never happen Shack.

[harvey lee]

I have the answer. Shack and Lmitout for the coaching staff as they seem to believe no one is worth it and I would guess they will have all the right answers.

[Shack]

LOLololol HL.

You are right. It will never happen.

Again, the one time I side "against" an internal decision of the Vikings.

P-isssstttt Eh Tom. I was never really serious about that dude. Just post Vikings blues and venting. Explained it all in my last post right above yours. Bumped the thread to admit I was wrong. and a double order of

[harvey lee]

The list you posted will never happen.

[Shack]

What if it did.

That would bite though.