Open Wound Forum

[Guest]

Note in today's Strib relates success PeTA had in getting the NCAA to agree not to use leather basketballs for next year's tourneys. They'll use a synthetic material basketballs.

I know this isn't an open water forum topic, but had to post it anyway. Now I'll be quiet.

[Dave]

What next, no leather tennis shoes......Geez

[GullGuide]

Or synthetic baseballs???

[GullGuide]

maybe we should go to aluminum bats because of the poor trees that are cut down every year to make the old louisville....grrrrrr

[jigglestick]

it's going to take common sense, and a strong belief in our freedoms. stand up, stay up, and don't let the bastards wear you down. to many wishy washy's out there willing to cave. it boils down to the way a judge interprets the law, or who shouts the loudest and longest. i've said it before and i'll say it again. walk softly, and carry a big jigglestick!!------jigglestick------

[Ely Lake Expert]

peta, mrr

what a bunch of whiners.

I just shake my head in disgust when I read that they waste time and money on things like that.

Ely lake expert

[Guest]

Have we cured Cancer yet, Aids, MS? I think these people could be spending there time a little more wisely. Do the fish have PETA, a small northern sect that won't eat any Baitfish, only plants, I don't think so. Lets all take a hint from the rest of the predators out there.

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Happy Fishn
Mike

[Bodyman]

I think we should all be alittle more tolerant of peta. They know what's best for everyone. Who needs the experience of battling a fiesty fish when you have tough vegetables. Hook a line to a wild asparagras plant once if you want a fight.The jumping ability of brocoli is fantastic. Instead of hunting wild game, take the ole 270 cal out looking for mushrooms, they can be real trophys if you look at them in just a certain way.The basket ball thing has been a long time comming and just another step in the direction of a better place for all living things. Unless your produce!! Who will look out for the helpless veggies. We need a new hero. Maybe PICKLE MAN???

[Guest]

To me this really doesn't come as that big of a surprise. Most every college, and almost anything affiliated with one is EXTREMELY left on the political scale. PETA is a Left Wing terrorist group. The extreme left wing always thinks it has to please everyone, and anything no matter what the cause. Perhaps that's why the Left wing U of M is publishing a book "Harmful to Minors"
Now I haven't read it, but when I'm told that there is any reference to there being "Good sexual relationships between adults and minors," then I don't need to, I know the book is horse$#!*. The college clan needs to wake up to reality, and realize you can't and shouldn't always please everybody, just because they're making some noise.

Good Luck!!!
Rusty

[Kingfisher]

Does anyone know if PETA has an 800 number so that motorists could call and report the tragic road kill deaths of the skunks, deer, cats, dogs, rabbits, etc., etc.? You would assume that PETA would want to know about these accidents so they could extend their sympathy to these animals by providing a proper burial.

[MNorthwoods]

Some good points above about standing up for what you believe in. One thing I agree with is that you should be willing to speak up and be persistent in your beleifs - that much we could learn from PETA. It's easy to preach to the choir - but we all need to be willing to stand up and publicly tell folks like PETA about why they are wrong\misguided in thier outlook. We need more folks to understand the outdoorsman view point and must do that in an educated manner.
One other thing I admire is the advertisements that PETA does - nude models -now if we could just move the precariously placed props we could see what these spokespeople really have to offer. hahaha
Enough satire - I'm off to grill some venison steak before I hit the lakes for in search of walleye!

[Guest]

Kingfisher --
If you want to talk about road kill, how about taking a look at the flat front and radiator of my van. Insects and bugs are all part of the Animal Kingdom (same as furry and four-legged critters, and humans, too). Two categories of living things: plants and animals.

A good entomologist could probably retrace my tracks over the past three years by examining bug and insect parts remaining. Who cries for the insect/bug world?

Incidentally, let's not label PeTA as "left wing." It is a single-issue organization, not a political ideology. If someone is going to equate Left-wing with Liberal, then I'm left-wing -- and I certainly ain't PeTA. I'm not reluctant to wear a label that fit quite nicely for HHH, John Kennedy, Walter Mondale, Gaylord Nelson, and scores of others who helped mold the nation we know. PeTA fits the mold of other single-issue groups that would also include the KKK.

[Guest]

How about this one...PETA wants the Austin MN High School to change their nickname from the Packers to the Pickers. Maybe they should demand Hormel make an all vegetable SPAM.

Can a PETA person take medicine to kill internal parasites? I was thinking about the one that crawled up their %&^$.

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[huskminn]

You know, Clayton, I wrote a long, long response to your post. It talked of political ideologies and such.

And I deleted the whole thing because I decided it was more important to stand by your side in defiance of PETA than to try to convince you that, as Fascist as PETA may be, they really are a radical left-wing group.

I don't want you to be surprised when they vote for the same political candidates that you do. And I promise that I won't be surprised when you stand by my side in fighting PETA.

Too much politics and too little fishing is a bad thing. Within the realm of the outdoors, I bet you and I are pretty much on the same page, which is all that matters in this context.

[juggs]

Hey guys, I feel compelled to go a little deeper than most with this PETA thing. Twenty years ago these people wouldn't even had a forum and would have been laughed away. But people change and concensus changes, unfortunately in this case. Although I am an avid fisherman and cringe at the idea of anyone even thinking of taking that away, I believe the motive behind most of what is done in the name of "animal rights" is far more serious than just an attempt to protect the defenseless little fuzzies. There is a philosophy here that drives the movement--namely that animals and people have the same intrinsic value as humans. Call me crazy but I believe that this attitude is the forerunner to ideas such as population control, genocide, infanticide, and others. Mankind has been given the God-given responsibility to be the ruler on earth. If this sounds out of touch, just read the Book of Genesis. We need to be good stewards, of course, but never should we elevate plants, animals, or the physical earth (seas, atmosphere, etc.) to the level of mankind, which was expressly created in God's own image. The driving force behind PETA and other organizations like it is a humanistic world view that fails to understand the created order of things. Think about it.

[This message has been edited by juggs (edited 05-16-2002).]

[Guest]

Dose anyone know what PETA stands for? ( people eating tasty animals)

[DARK30]

You crazy too Juggs? Ya, we're supposed to be rulers but we always think we can do it without God.

Maybe we should build a golden calf and worship it...what could possibly go wrong?

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[Guest]

PETA is a LEFT WING "TERRORIST" group. Many if not majority of it's members support COMMUNISM openly. I recently did research into eco-terrorism, and PETA is into it waste high!!! The U.S. needs to repeal PETA's non-profit status.

PETA pays for ALF and ELF members defense funds. Do you know what it takes to become an ELF or ALF member?? Nothing, it's just a bunch of LEFT wing nuts, who go out and destroy property. ALF and ELF members can include PETA members, and OFTEN do!! If only the media weren't biased and reported the facts to us.

People, we must look deeper, and believe OUR own eyes. We don't need some biased reporter, simply looking to further a political movement with their B.S.

If PETA isn't a Left Wing group, then what are they?

Good Luck,
Rusty

P.S. watch out, the mystery is abound!!

[huskminn]

PETA is left wing, but I don't think they are a terrorist group...yet. The eco-terrorists are the groups who burn ski areas/resorts and vandalize/destroy construction equipment at building sites. ELF or ALF....I'm not sure which one claims to be the group that burned the Aspen ski resort.

PETA, for the most part, is a public relations organization that uses the media as its primary means of communication, but uses grass-roots mis-educating, as well. It has more recently been using local jurisdiction court systems to create precidential rulings on certain animal protection/animal use laws. The intent is to slowly chip away at the foundations of our culture vis-a-vis animals.

PETA has success because it constantly works at pushing its ideals, which, change with the wind. Remember their campaign to get college students to drink beer, not milk? Remember how short-lived it was? The huge backlash from MADD and other anti-drinking organizations (many of whose members are also members and/or supporters of PETA) made them drop it like a bad habit. So, that's fine with PETA, because they just go on to the next idea.....try another angle. They are like water in a new resevoir.....they just push and push and try and try and seep and seep until finally, they find a way to get through what's holding them back. I bet the NCAA was already thinking of changing to synthetic balls.....they are cheaper, after all. But, what an opportunity for PETA to push them in the direction that they were already going.....and take credit for it!

The vast majority of PETA members or supporters really don't have a clue as to what the organization really stands for or what ideals they are really pushing. Let me give you a true, real-life example, if I may:

An MPIRG member came to my door the other evening wanting me to sign a petition in support of a bill that "is going to clean up our environment by forcing MN powerplants to clean up their emissions". I asked her how the bill accomplished these things. She said that Wellstone supported the bill, so it was a good bill. I again asked her what specifically the bill did to clean up the environment......she ultimately admitted that she didn't know. I asked her if she thought it was right to ask my support of the bill when she herself didn't know anything about the bill......she explained that she had a cold and really wasn't feeling very well, just wasn't at her best. I told her that was a ridiculous excuse and had nothing to do with her knowing nothing about the bill.

I then asked her about nuclear power and how she felt about that......she said MPIRG didn't support nuclear power due to the long term waste storage issues. I asked her what we were going to do for electricity once coal-generated power was too expensive to produce due to the environmental regulations. Dam another river for that clean hydroelectric energy? She turned and walked away without saying a word.

In my experience, this young woman was a typical left-leaning environmental/animal rights group member. She thinks all this anti stuff is a good idea....a good cause, yet she doesn't know enough about the issues to even debate them. She has, at some point, been brainwashed into an unthinking drone who has no ability to intellectually function outside the small box in which she lives.

This is what we are up against. Who's fighting for our side? You and me? We're preaching to the choir.

[REEFRAKER]

Last summer they picketed Grandmas MARATHON because of all the army worms that were getting stepped on. They need to get a life!!!

[Kidd]

What I don't understand about the banning of leather basketball's is this; Leather goods are made from the by product of slaugtered cattle for consumption. So, does PETA actually think that by banning leather goods I will no longer eat meat? There is noting I like better than coming off the lake and putting a nice big steak on my grill. With or without leather basketball's, I'm going to continue to do just that.

[wastewaterguru]

I can't even come up with anything to describe the shear stupidity of the actions of this group.

If you decide to be a vegetarian that's fine. If you decide to believe in God or Buddha or Alah or Ra, that's fine.

If you decide to forcefully impose your beliefs on me.......

Than we have a problem!!

I eat animals and plants and would eat whatever necessary to insure the survival of me and my family.

What are these people thinking.....if everyone on earth quits eating animals...then what's the next step?

I would put a cows intelligence on the same level as a stalk of corn......

So we'll just quit eating everything but multivitamins........

Oh wait....the minerals and organic matter used for these vitamins are direct byproducts of animal and plant waste.

Oh **** let's just all commit mass suicide. Call ourselves Kimblists and starve ourselves to death just because the leader of the Kimblist faith says that food is the temptation of the devil, and the only way to a peaceful eternity is to not eat.

Who are my followers????

John Kimble (founder of the kimblist movement)

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John K., a.k.a. wastewaterguru
Prior Lake, Minnesota

[wastewaterguru]

OK so what does PETA really stand for??

Proud Examples of Terrific Americans

maybe not.......more like--

Pile of Excrement with Terrorist Attitude

or

Population Extinction Through Anorexia

Other suggestions?????

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John K., a.k.a. wastewaterguru
Prior Lake, Minnesota

[huskminn]

Anybody here ever read Ted Kerasote's "Blood Sport"? He spent some time with animal rights folks (if I'm not mistaken, PETA members). There is an argument presented to a PETA person in that book.....three PETA people in a life raft with a dog. A man, a woman and the couple's baby. There is only enough water and food for three bodies. Would the PETA parents throw the baby or the dog overboard? After all, they both have the same rights, correct? When push comes to shove, we all know what the answer would be.

Rusty's comments are pretty much right on. I was reluctant to label PETA as a terrorist organization only because I didn't have any evidence to back that claim.

Jugg's comments are true, but I think it goes even deeper than that. Yes, they want to afford animals the same rights as humans. But they also want to change culture, economy and government. They are pushing an ideology of assimilation and indoctrination. They really are, by definition, Global Fascists...one world, one philosphy, one theology of animal, social, economic and political equality.

PETA is the Sierra Club is the World Wildlife Fund is Green Peace is ALF is ELF and so on and so on. They share fundraising, members, ideals, strategies and goals. Their infrastructure is becoming more and more like the United Way......if you give to the United Way, you give to hundreds of charities. That's where the money is and they all know it.

Although their ideologies are wacked and don't stand up to logical scrutiny very well, they do most closely align themselves politically with communists, socialists, greens and, yes, democrats. There are two problems with identifying them politically. One, their philosphies are so disjointed and self-serving that they don't fit well with anyone's party platforms. Two, the political parties' platforms are so disjointed and self-serving that they don't fit well with these groups' philosophies. If you are confused at this point, then you've gotten my point. When senate elections are on the line, Tom Daschle is all for promoting the South Dakota beef industry......when the elections aren't on, he's all for promoting funding for research into replacing school lunch hamburgers with soyburgers. Generally speaking, Republican politicians (especially nationally) don't support the ideals of these radical animal rights/eco-terror groups.

One thing that worries me a little is that there are presently two Green Party members on the Minneapolis City Council. What do you suppose their take is on fishing on lakes in the Minneapolis Park System? And what do you think the people who elected them think about the Metro-Area goose hunt?

As we belly up to the bar to swap fishing stories, PETA is sitting right next to us taking notes......and electing officials. Are we doing the same?

This is basically the e-mail that I previously deleted. I know this will rile a few of you, but I wasn't alone in opening this can of worms.

[wastewaterguru]

Alright I'll add another.

Perfect Excuse for a Thoughtful Assassination

People Eating Tasty Activists

...........I need to get to work.

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John K., a.k.a. wastewaterguru
Prior Lake, Minnesota