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  1. Quote: Moss is no more a punk than 150 other players around the league, none of whom can match his athletic ability either!!! Its just the entertainment part of pro sports overshadowing the sport a litte, which is sad, but I don't think there is much we can do about it... Lawdog, after reading some of your coherent posts in the Political forum, I'm surprised to hear your take on this. There is something we can do about it: quit watching professional sports!! Quit buying the wearables!! Quit supporting these emotionally-undeveloped narcissists!! It's OUR money going in their pockets. I wouldn't have Moss on my dodgeball team, let alone pay him money to "play" for me. His arrogance and deliquency has no place on any team in any sport. I used to watch professional sports, but don't anymore (other than some golf and a little hockey when it existed). I am sick of the talk from the players, the media and the leagues. You're right Lawdog, it is entertainment. The game has long since been forgotten. Even college football is becoming increasingly more difficult to stomach as the conferences have prostituted themselves to ABC via that festering group called the BCS. I think you've got to peel back the layers down to Division 1-AA football before you actually see the game again.
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    Big Fish Story

    We could never stock bull trout here...unfortunately the water is too warm and not clean enough. If I'm not mistaken, I think they are a char, like brookies and lakers. Bull trout populations are in trouble in almost all the western waters that they inhabit, so seeing this big one must have been a real treat. I have taken photos of trout finning in shallow waters while I've been wading. Most of them have been the fish that I just released and they moved to the first quiet water to recuperate.
  3. This has been a very interesting read. My heart goes out to you folks who have lost these deer, as I know how difficult that must be to run through your mind over and over again. I've lost one deer....many, many years ago that I shot with my bow. I made a poor shot on a quartering away buck that had turned to scratch his head with a hind leg. The arrow passed through and when he turned straight, I think his hide covered the entrance/exit points. There were a few drops of blood, then he crossed a cold, high creek and got on a heavily used, muddy deer trail. No blood, no way to distinguish his tracks....never found another sign of him. It wasn't the buck of a lifetime, but it was an animal that I made hurt and, in the end, couldn't follow up on my end of the deal. I still think about it now, 20 years later. I shoot a 30-06 with 150 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I hunt out west fairly often and need that flat shooting round. I've taken two deer with them. One imperfect neck shot and the deer covered several hundred yards before I could finish him (this wasn't the bullet's fault). The other shot was close--20 yards--in the boiler room. He traveled a 30 yard circle around me and died 15 yards away. To be honest with you, I didn't give much consideration to bullet expansion when I switched to the NSB's. After reading this discussion, I am wondering if I'm shooting the best round for the job. Every deer I've ever killed with a gun fell to a 150 grain slug. Started with a 30-30 and now use an '06. I guess I've always believed shot placement is much more critical than caliber and grain. But, the above stories have me wondering a little now. Hope you guys recover from the trauma. As long as you did everything you could to find your animals, you can't feel that you've done anything wrong.
  4. I'm really glad to see you folks giving this topic some air time, as I've heard and read so often about "brush busting" guns. Of course, as most of you know, there is no such thing. I once missed a nice muley buck at 50 yards because he was laying in tall grass. I had a slightly obscured neck shot and assumed at that range my bullet would plow through the grass. Of course, it didn't. Thankfully, he never got up and I shot him at the base of his skull with my next shot--that was the only clear shot available above the grass. Back when Remington made the Accelorator round for 30-06, I used them for coyotes. I was checking my zero one day and shot once at a target on a cardboard box about 200 yards away. I drove to the target and found no hole. I was dumbfounded, as I shouldn't have missed completely. Upon closer inspection, I found many tiny, oddly shaped holes in the target. A couple of blades of old dead prairie grass in front of the target were the culprits. That factory round traveled at over 4,000 fps and simply disintegrated when it hit a 1/32" piece of grass. The only "brush buster" around is the big old buck busting through the brush after your shot deflects and misses completely. Good discussion.
  5. Muskybuck, You're right. I did check and found that in WI's most heavily tested area, 107 cases of CWD were found. That is more than have been found in South Dakota. South Dakota has not tested nearly as many animals, however. Good catch.
  6. Lawdog, I guess I would have to agree with you that the vast majority of hunting situations effectively don't require the additional accuracy of a bolt action. Especially in MN, where ranges tend to be shorter. I hunt out West a fair amount and I do feel the need for that extra .05-.1 MOA provided by the bolt. That having been said, there have been some bolt action rifles manufactured that had dismal accuracy and there have been some lever, pump and auto's manufactured that have had pretty darn good accuracy. A lot of it depends on the individual gun, the individual round shot through it and, of course, the individual shooting it! The bottom line is to have your gun sighted in, know your gun and your round's trajectories and make good, safe shots. A good hunter who knows his .22 rifle like the back of his hand can kill many more deer than a poor hunter with a brand new, out of the box 300 Weatherby Mag.
  7. The deer in my freezer is from an area of South Dakota that has had a higher incidence of CWD than anywhere in Wisconsin. I am leaving on Saturday to go back there for another hunt. I do think about CWD and I have made an effort to learn about it and similar diseases so I can make an educated decision about deer hunting. I think many DNR and Game & Fish departments have done a tremendous diservice to the general public by telling people to clean their knives, etc. in bleach and wear long gloves while field dressing deer. If there is a danger of CWD, none of that matters. You can't kill it! It's not a bacteria or a virus--not even radiation can kill it. This year, the deer I kill in SD will be tested by the state for CWD, so I will know for certain that whether or not it is a "clean" deer.
  8. I personally prefer the bolt action to others for a couple of reasons. First of all, it is a "safer" gun. When the bolt is open, it cannot be fired. Period. With a shell in the chamber and the bolt open, that gun can be dropped, thrown, etc and it will never go off. Secondly, it is more accurate than most of the others. I need a rifle reliable out to 350 yards. A bolt does that for me. That is not to say another rifle can't do the job--it is just a proven fact that bolt action rifles tend to hold tighter, more consistent groups than others. I also have a soft spot for the lever action Model 94. It is a classic and, at close ranges, it is a very effective gun. There is no such thing as a "brush-busting" gun. I am always bothered by people having confidence that their rifle will bust through the brush. All centerfire rifles deflect when they hit an object of any size. The question is, if a deflection occurs and your shot doesn't hit where you're aiming, is it better to have the foot lbs of a 30-30 behind the shot or a 30-06? The bottom line is that it doesn't matter what you shoot--a .243 or a .416--if your shot placement isn't good, you're risking wounding that animal and perhaps losing it. I don't take shots through brush--period.
  9. There is currently no documented case of a human contracting CWD or a variation thereof from an infected deer or elk. The scientific evidence is just not there--yet. Mad Cow or new-varient CJD is the only clinically documented spongioform encephalopathy that has jumped to the human specie from an animal host. There are reports that the consumption of encephalopathy-infected monkey brains and/or possibly squirrel brains may have killed a few people, but those cases are far and few between and have been difficult to document. Around a hundred people in America die every year from CJD (not "new-variant"!), but the cause of this disease isn't completely known. Could these people have somehow contracted a species-jumping encephalopathy without anyone realizing it? I think it's possible. The medical community doesn't. The bottom line is that, for now, CWD remains more of a threat to deer populations than human populations. However, mad cow disease jumped species from sheep (scrapie), so there is no telling if/when CWD might jump species and show up in another animal, including possibly humans. I think it's critical to eliminate baiting and feeding deer, as CWD spreads from close contact or contact with feces from an infected deer. If a deer is taken in a CWD area, it should be boned out during processing and the spine and other bones should never be cut or sawed. Remember: you can't kill the infected prions. High heat, bleach, soap, etc. have absolutely no effect on CWD. The only way to stop its spread is by having no contact with it whatsoever. After all this wonderful news, rest assured that you've got a better chance of winning the lottery than you do of coming into contact with CWD tainted venison. Enjoy those venison chops!
  10. OK...now I feel the need to defend myself. I am the "friend" that HB is talking about. I have long been a fan of the neck shot, not so much as the primary target, but as a very valid option. I guess I put a neck shot on the same plane as the vitals, depending on the situation (as all shot selection usually does). It is the situation that drives the shot. If you've got no rest, it's windy or the deer is moving, then the neck shot becomes a lower percentage shot, for sure. And, remember, the neck shot kills mostly from the shock and not from the damage. A vitals shot tears up lungs or the heart and a deer bleeds to death. If you're going to shoot for the neck, you better be a good shot and be confident in your bullet placement. I've probably taken 25% of my deer with neck shots. Bucks bedded in high grass, bucks standing broadside with their vitals obscured by cover and bucks facing directly away from me. In my longest shot ever, I even shot one in the neck at 360 paces that was directly facing me. But!! I had a perfect rest, there wasn't a breath of wind, I was confident that I would either kill him or miss him completely. In this case, I wasn't sure of a precise range, so I put the crosshairs on his nose and fired, knowing that bullet drop would place the shot somewhere down his neck. Now about that aforementioned jaw shot--that is the only time a neck shot attempt has failed me. It wasn't a pretty sight and I felt horrible about having to track that animal, which we recovered and killed about two hours later several hundred yards away. I've never had a buck go that far after having been hit. I took a marginal shot in the first place. I relied on my "marksmanship" without considering trajectory. I had a shot at the base of his skull (top of his neck) through about a 3" opening in the brush. He was about 25 yards away. I hit just left of his spine and the bullet exited his neck and went through the base of his jaw. He lost a tremendous amount of blood and was basically incapacitated when I caught up to him. It was sad, though and bothered me terribly. I hate to know that I caused an animal to suffer longer than necessary. Had I hit where I was aiming, the bullet would have hit bone and expanded--the shock would have killed him. However, I didn't account for the fact that my rifle, resting on a solid object and zeroed at 200 yards, was going to shoot 1"-2" high at that range. That was stupid on my part. Anyway, neck shots can be a great option. But, you have to hit where you're aiming!
  11. Mr. B, You'll probably get as many answers to this as their are possibilities, but...heregoes.. If the buck isn't being pressured by other hunters, then he will probably go back to his "normal" routine within a day or two. He will most likely use his same bedding area and will feed in the same general area as he did before, but he may not be traveling the same route that you saw him on. He might abandon that route for another that offers more cover. The thing that may screw up this theory is the rut. As others have mentioned, the rut will cause him to change his habits. If there are does already there, then he will probably return to his same bedding area each night until he gets on the trail of a hot doe. Then he will follow her until he has a chance to breed her. If it were me, I would abandon that stand site until after the rut is over. Change locations but stay in the same area. Search for other bedding-feeding routes and be darn quiet when you're setting up and traveling to and from your stand. A buck that is spooked once will not always abandon the area, but he probably has a heightened paranoia. One that is spooked twice might leave for good, though. Good luck!!
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    Deer Baiting

    I'm with you on this. I personally see no valid reason to allow baiting deer. Bears are a different story, for a variety of reasons, but deer do not need to be baited to manage herds and have a succesful and enjoyable hunt. Baiting only encourages the unnatural spreading of disease through frequent contact with other deer and their feces. Baiting has little to do with improving deer nutrition that is sometimes accomplished through food plot planting. Baiting is all about getting a deer to come to your stand site. Period. Deer corn is no doubt big business in some states. However, it is not the wildlife manager's responsibility to subsidize the corn farmers. If corn farmers want the gov't to protect their markets for corn, they should lobby for another tax-payer subsidized ethanol plant.
  13. Grebe, The points you raise are valid ones and probably explain our propensity to display the fruits of our labor. I also enjoy seeing bucks while I'm traveling too/from the hunt. Most of them are tastefully displayed in the backs of pickups or wrapped in a tarp on a trailer with just the head exposed. That's all fine, I guess. It's the bloodied carcass strapped on the hood or across the front bumper that does us no favors. I'm not afraid of offending PETA, as they are in a continuous state of offense, it is the non-hunting, currently non-offended public that we need to keep somewhat on our side or at least neutral. It's not about being ashamed of what we do, it's about being smart about what we do. It's the "Slob Hunter" image that we need to avoid portraying. Don't forget that the media is generally against us, the metro population is generally against us and the tree-hugger crowd is definately against us. I'm only saying that our actions shouldn't help THEIR cause, our actions should help OUR cause.
  14. Dockter, There is no doubt that a very high percentage of deer hunters dream about the "big one". Having a lottery system in some areas would allow big ones to grow, in my opinion. But, you're right, a lottery may not be the best management practice for all areas. However, I do think it might enhance the quality of the hunt in some areas that receive a tremendous amount of pressure every single year. Another thought...MN has various deer hunting zones. If the DNR was serious about managing the herd, why don't they treat each zone as a different season with different licenses? That is, a hunter should be able to shoot as many deer as there are zones or units.
  15. Are you sure you wouldn't hunt firearms deer here at all? Even if you put in every year and got your buck tag half the time? Most state-run QDM programs exclude bow hunters, as they have such a small affect on overall herd populations. I don't know what's right for MN, but it's obvious that different parts of the state would need to be handled differently, as terrain, habitat and pressure vary widely. 7-8 years ago, South Dakota switched the Black Hills unit to lottery only. Prior to that they sold 15,000-20,000 buck tags over the counter every year. Now they sell about 5,500 by lottery only. They also have a one forked antler minimum. The season runs the entire month of November. Was the deer population in trouble? Not really, the buck-doe ratio was way off balance, though. There was habitat loss, which affected deer and still does, but that wasn't the impetus for change. Primarily, they wanted to provide hunters with a better quality hunt. They found out that hunters wanted a crack at mature bucks while having a more pleasant time in the woods (i.e.: fewer people around). Well, they have been wildly successful. On a scale from 1-7, with 1 being 100% satisfied with the hunt, hunters rate the hunt at 2.5. This number is up from around a 5 several years ago and goes up a little every year. In addition to this, over 70% of bucks shot have 4 points on a side or better. And, this is all taking place on over 1 million acres of public land. The state says that a reduction in hunting pressure has had the most dramatic effect on buck size, not the antler restriction. Locals say the hunting hasn't been this good for 40+ years. I grew up out there and hunted many, many seasons there. I was out for a trip a couple of years ago. We hunted three days, saw 14 bucks, about half of them being what I would call "mature"--that is 3-1/2+ yrs old. I had never experienced anything like that before. It was awesome. Since it's pretty hard to dicate what size of deer a hunter can shoot, it seems to be a better idea to restrict the number of people allowed to hunt. There are some large tracts of public land in MN that could stand to have less pressure. In over populated areas, you could also require people to shoot a doe before they can shoot a buck.
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