McGwire comes clean.....

[TR21HP]

Todays players lift more weights than ever before. When Rose played it was the belief that lifting weights made you less flexible and was counterproductive. I hope you don't believe you just take steroids and you automatically get bigger.

[Juneau4]

How big was Rose?

[TR21HP]

Rose was about 5-10 and 190 lbs plus or minus. A little heavier as he got older as are many of us.

[Mr.Seaguar]

Steroids saved baseball. If not for the Home run race in 98, baseball would have closed down before now(it was on its last legs). Or at least it wound have been relegated to a Hockey-type place in American pro sports. Rose and Shoeless Joe did what they did for money, Rose for pennies. At least the steroid guys can say they did it for numbers.

All McGwire has done is polish his turd of an image. He has taken the wrong way home again...again.

[TR21HP]

It is all about the money. Millionaires playing for billionaires.

[Juneau4]

Rose was about 5-10 and 190 lbs plus or minus. A little heavier as he got older as are many of us.

That seems about a normal weight for someone that size. Now with a little steroid what would he have been? Maybe a Conseaco? He played clean other than the gambling. Probably one of the best players of all time.

[Scott K]

Originally Posted By: TR21HP

Rose was about 5-10 and 190 lbs plus or minus. A little heavier as he got older as are many of us.

That seems about a normal weight for someone that size. Now with a little steroid what would he have been? Maybe a Conseaco? He played clean other than the gambling. Probably one of the best players of all time.

I agree, Rose deserves to get into the HOF, what he did, didnt change how he batted, or hit the ball, or recovered from injury. He was one of the best!

[TR21HP]

Again, there is no way to tell if these players were clean or not. As I mentioned before speed was in the dugouts for these guys to chew like candy. I'm not saying Rose or anyone else took them but don't pretend to think he couldn't have and that he was clean.

[JimmyJames]

Rose is a hall a famer, McGwire is a piece a [PoorWordUsage]. It was never proven or alleged for that matter that Rose did any drugs, McGwire admitted it. McGwire didn't save baseball, he was one of the many that ruined it, for me anyways.

[Juneau4]

Again, there is no way to tell if these players were clean or not. As I mentioned before speed was in the dugouts for these guys to chew like candy. I'm not saying Rose or anyone else took them but don't pretend to think he couldn't have and that he was clean.

That means anyone from that time period was or could have been useing speed? What players could that have been? Bench-who else ?

[TR21HP]

Juneau4, who knows, that would be speculation on my part. All I'm saying it wasn't illegal to take the "greenies", as they were known, and they were available in the dugout to those that needed them.

[mrklean]

The only reason Rose hasnt gotten into the hall is because of BUD, he doesnt want to look dumb and go back on what he said, i cant wait till that guy is gone

[B. Amish]

so we have a handful of guys who have hall of fame numbers but admitted to using steroids or tested positive. i don't think there is anyway any of them are getting voted in any time soon.

the problem i have is what about the other guys from the steroid 90's. pudge rodriguez comes to mind. no link to steroids (that i can recall) but if you look at his body shape through the years, it appears something fishy was going on. even roberto alomar. played during the 90's and will almost certainly get voted in next year. what if we find out 10 years from now that he took roids? does he then get taken out of the fall of fame?

i know some people even think cal ripken jr could've been on the juice. we all know that maybe the biggest benefit from steroids is the recovery time. what better way to play every day than to take steroids.

fact is, you could make a steroid case for almost anyone.

[Burnham]

ok, do i support the use of roids.no. but why cant we just accept the fact that it happened, let them in the hof and move on. first of all, they were legal at the time, so why are they being frowned upon. that should be enough of an argument, if they were legal they were doing nothing legally wrong that should prevent them from getting in the hof. also, its not just the hitters that are benefiting. the hitters were going up against pitchers that were on the roids, thus the pitchers were better and rested more than they typically would be. To me, the fact that pitchers and hitters were both using roids, kinda evens the playing field as all it essentially does is make both of them better, not making it unfair to either side. lets move on with this whole ordeal. Although the roids era may have turned some people away from baseball, it is SO obvious that it brought more people back to the sport as it made it interesting again, theres no doubt it saved the sport.

[bassNspear]

accept the fact that it happened? becuase its wrong and against MLB

[Burnham]

but at the time it occured it was perfectly legal. now people that are currently testing positive, thats totally different. but up until 03 or something, they werent banned substances