I need a new roof

[Clouser]

I am thinking on having Certainteed Landmark shingles installed. But before I talk to contractors I would like to know if this an adequate 30 year, 264 lbs. shingle? This will be a tear off of a 25 year old roof, 2300 square feet on a 4/12 pitch. What can I expect to budget for labor and material? Any tips on selecting a contractor and what to ask when I visit with them? Thanks

[Moe Szyslak]

Small company but they did my roof and they are very knowledgeable. I am sure they could help you answer any questions you may have.

Meridian Roofing

[crothmeier]

I put 30yr Landmarks on my last house before i sold it. They are easy to put down, look nice. I used to work at a lumberyard and that was 85% of the shingles that we sold. I would guess you to have $3,500-$4,000 in materials. (that might be off considering how shingles have gone up and down lately, more up than down)

that inlcudes new underlayment and accessories. That will also vary due to hips/valleys/dormers ect.

Labor a few years back was around $100-$115/sq for tearoff & puton. you will have a disposal/dumpster fee. Ask if they pull the permit or if thats your responsibility.

[pike doctor]

Landmarks are all I put on. I like them a lot more than GAF Timberlines. Have done about 400 sq. already this spring. When I tear-off the Timberlines I notice that the laminate like to peel apart pretty easy on 5 yr old roofs. They just seem to be tougher than the Timberlines, but that's only my opinion.

Depending on the roof labor should be about 120 give or take a couple bucks a square. Roofing material is really high priced right now. If I could get in touch with you I could give you some advice over the phone for another FMer. Without seeing your place I would say it would be about 6800-7500 for a one layer tear off and all new accessories. (permit, dump, labor, material.)

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[muchowja]

We use a lot of Landmark 30 shingles when we reroof. We also use some of the Timberlines. Both are good and very comparable to each other. You should be OK with either one. Labor, materials and disposal should run you about $260 a square(100 sq ft.) right now depending on the roof pitch.

[ranger20]

clousur im not sure where you are from but i've been putting them on now in bad times for $95sq thats tear off and put on

[LakeDocktor]

ranger20, where are you from?

[ranger20]

st.cloud and yourself

[crothmeier]

thats a pretty competitive price

[onlydrakes4me]

You guys are getting good labor prices. In the mankato area I've had to drop my labor prices to 75/sq for a 4/12 and materials are running 130/150/ sq

Certainteed landmark 30yr are $89/sq

[crothmeier]

i remember when i sold landmarks for 39.99/sq, and i think it took 3 months and they were up to $90/sq yikes.

[onlydrakes4me]

Ya prices doubled last year it only took 3 months. I think the shingle manufacturing companies are @#$%&^ everyone.

[crothmeier]

raw materials spiked insanely for them. you take a fiberglass/asphalt shingle when 70% of the shingle is a petroleum product, and the barrel almost quadruples in price, you're bound to have a price increase. I would think now the prices should start tailing off.

Another thing i've heard is that the petroleum product used to make shingles is the bi-product of refineries. As the refineries become more efficient in re-using the bi-product there becomes less and less of it, thus driving up the price, and keeping it there even though the barrel price has dropped. Supply and Demand.

[GotOne]

Crothmeier, you hit it!! 100% CORRECT

[onlydrakes4me]

Thats the problem. When prices started to soar everyone

decided to buy shingles, thus creating a shortage in turn driving prices high. but now that prices are so high,less people are reshingleing their homes thus the supply of shingles should be caught up. On top of that a poor economy should help to lower prices, but still they have not dropped!!!!!!!!!!!

[GotOne]

Still high prices because a lot of inventory from last year when prices were sky high. Not going to go down that much anytime soon. Insurance companies have really tightened up, which, isn't helping.

[crothmeier]

i know its bad to wish for,and can be a pain to homeowners, but a few decent hail storms will boost business, create jobs, move inventory !

st micheal, sartell, albertville in the last few years have been crazy for roofing after those storms.

[dougger222]

98% of the shingles I sell/install are Landmark. I like the Premium and TL line but the 30 is a great shingle. IMO the 40 is a waste of money.

My company is a 5 Star Certainteed Sellect Shingle Company so we can offer a lot of perks when putting down a Certainteed shingle. For example with a 30 year shingle the wind warranty is bumped to 110 mph for 5 years and with a 50 year shingle 130mph for 10 years. The sure start warranty with a 50 year shingle is the full 50 years.

Just turned down a 370sq tear off because the owner insisted on GAF Timberlines. The owner also decided to go with the cheapest bid and it was an insurance job. Insurance fraud is something you don't want any part in!

Your weights are slightly off though with the Landmark 30.

The actual weights and warranties with a standard installation are,

Landmark 30,

245lbs per square

5-year 70mph

5-year sure start protection

10-year algea warranty

Landmark Plus 40,

265lbs per square

5-year 80mph

5-year sure start protection

10-year algea warranty

Landmark Premium 50,

300lbs per square

10-year 90mph

10-year sure start protection

10-year algea warranty

Landmark TL

340lbs per square

10-year 110mph

10-year sure start protection

15-year algea warranty

Only true three layer laminate on the market. The Shenandoah and Resawn Shake are two very nice looking shingles. New for 09 Max Def with the TL line.

So far this year have done more TL and Premium jobs than 30's. Average roofs have been 55-60 squares.

If you want to learn more about finding a roofing contractor do a google search on roofing forums and you'll find some of the brightest minds in the industry at your fingertips.

The labor prices you guys have mentioned sure are low. The very few contractors I sub from pay me $150 a square. Been getting a consistant $400-600 a square on insurance jobs. The job we are finishing tommorow a 35sq 8/12 paid $20,350. The crews from the south are getting $55 a square labor all day long. Right now booked deep into the Summer.

There are no heros in roofing...

[dougger222]

Still high prices because a lot of inventory from last year when prices were sky high. Not going to go down that much anytime soon. Insurance companies have really tightened up, which, isn't helping.

The insurance companies are tightening up but they are still paying for damage that is of course if there's damage!

If you recall there was a shortage on Weathered Wood, Burnt Sienna, and Moire Black late last Summer. The high demand of shingles ate up all popular colors. Certainteed actually bought up a ton of raw products when crude oil went way down and even stopped producing and shipping shingles for over a month this past Winter. Figuring there was going to be a huge damage this Spring which there hasn't been yet they went full boar and leased 14 acreas from Canabery to stockpile shingles. A good friend of mine hauls granuals from the 3M plant in WI to the CT Shakopee plant and he made mention of getting laid off for 6 weeks in the very near future.

Just like a lot of cities learning that insurance companies paid for permit fee's decided they could double or even triple fee's the shingle manufacturers are doing the same thing.

Unlike most yards who saw an increase in shingle costs March 1 my yard actually broght prices down about 6-7% from late last Fall. Of course when ordering special order shingles you are stuck paying the price increases.

My guess is all the shingle manufacturers and hoping and wishing for another busy hail and wind season. There sure is no demand for shingles in the new construction segment.