What will NASCAR do to Cousin Carl???

[lawdog]

Clearly they are going to drop the hammer on him for the post race skirmish, but how big will the hammer be??? I'm thinking NASCAR will do its usual and extend his probation (what does it even mean to be on NASCAR probation when all you get when you get in trouble is your probation extended????) and take away points and money in the Busch Series. Guessing like 50 points and $25,000...

[Sifty]

Sounds about right dog.

But maybe just maybe they put him on double secret probation.

Sifty

[harvey lee]

Slap on the hand as that is all they ever do.Maybe a couple dollars and a few points.Niether will hurt him.Thier penalties are a joke.Never stops anyone from doing anything.Just dont say a potty mouth word as that is a fine for sure.

[Eric Wettschreck]

It could be double secret probation. Or, they may actually drop the hammer and put him on super duper uber strong probation, give him a good talking too, and a warning that if he is bad again his super duper uber strong probation will be changed to mega-ultra super duper uber strong probation, maybe.

[OUTDOORNUT]

A pat on the back and a hearty hand shake!

Did you hear the unthinkable after the race Saturday???

Jr., the poster child and greatest son of Nascar booed!!!???

I personally don't have anything against Jr., but that made me believe there is still some fans out there that don't have their Budweiser Beer Goggles on all the time!

[lawdog]

Ya he got a strong dose of boos, not as many as his old man got the last time he spun Texas Terry out at Bristol for a cheap win in '99, but still a lot of booos!!!

[Uncle Bill]

Reminds me of the boo's gordon got when he

spun Kenseth for a cheap win in 06".

[jbell1981]

You are never going to give that a rest are you unclebill

[AQUAJOE]

All bets off last lap. His dad would have done the same thing. I also think alot of others would to if you had a good run and he was blocking you from a win.

I am not saying it is right or not but I understand.

[Eric Wettschreck]

From Nascars web site

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced Tuesday that Carl Edwards, driver of the No. 60 Ford in the NASCAR Busch Series, has been fined and placed on probation due to a rule violation at Michigan International Speedway on Aug. 19.

Edwards was fined $20,000 for violating Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing: hitting another competitor's car after the completion of the race) of the 2006 NASCAR Busch Series Rule Book.

He was also placed on probation until Dec. 31.

Sooooooooooo, I guess he had to pay a couple of bucks and was given a stern talking to. Good grief.

[harvey lee]

A joke.Thats why it never changes as the fine is nothing and the rest is nothing.Nascar doesnt mind the banging as they recieve alot of press from it.Just look at the posts here on FM.Creates interest until next week for the next slam dunk.Sells press.

[Wade Joseph]

I wish more would follow his lead. Why do guys feel they gotta spin someone out to win? what happened to clean racing? If you can't pass him, accept second place and be happy, don't wreck someone just for your own ego.

Ive said it before. I would be doing the days of thunder routine everytime someone spun me just to beat me.

[VMS]

Even though Carl "technically" was in the wrong for going out and hitting Jr, I applaud his actions. That race was his to win. If you cannot win by clean racing, get off the track.

I was at the race and the boos you heard from the stands were everywhere. I could not hear a single cheer when Jr. got out of the car. I just shook my head at the whole thing....

I don't mind Jr as a racer, but man...many of his fans are downright rude. Heck...a Jr. fan after the race as everyone was leaving was about to get hit by others for being so obnoxious about the way he won the race... Sore losers are one thing, but a sore winner is just outright unacceptable.

Steve

[harvey lee]

Let me ask some this,if you were taken out in a race for weeks straight and lost a couple wins and you are now racing in second and can get by the guy with a little bump then isnt what is good for the goose good for the gander?

I dont believe there is a racer racing today that has not spun someone to get a win from second or third.Yes it would be great if that never happened but this is the real racing world with alot of money and sponsor involved.

You can bet the bank that this Sunday in Bristol there will be paybacks for other things that have happened during the year.Trouble is with Bristols short track action you will not know if it was on purpose or not.They all have done it,its racing.

It is the nature of the beast.

[lawdog]

Harvey when has Edwards done all this bumping to Dale Jr. though? I totally agree that you race people the way they race you and sometimes you gotta go, but this was Jr's third Busch race all year and Edwards is running for points and was dumped from second because of 8's actions. I think that's why NASCAR didn't take points because he suffered such a huge loss already due to being dumped like that...

[harvey lee]

I am not saying that Edwards bumped or ever did bump Jr.What I said was after awhile it gets old and sooner or later someone maybe innocent may get the boot.I really dont believe that Jr did anything that any other racer including Carl would have done himself.There is only one racer today that I think might be above getting someone back and that would be Mark Martin.There is your true racer in my mind.

Just because it was Jr's third Busch race I dont believe it has anything to do with a hit.Someone could have done it to Harvick or anyone else and it will happen again this year.Its racing wheter a guy likes it or not and I do not believe Nascar is going to change that either.Sells tickets and air time.

In the last four races that we have run someone has taken us out with considerable damage to the car and it has cost us heavy in points.My son will not go after another racer but I can promise you that of the people we race agaisnt that the majority would return the favor.Thats racing.We try to race very clean and he will get on the breaks before he takes someone out but I would venture to say that he is in the very small percentage.I would be in the higher.

[JohnMickish]

But Lee, if you going for the win it's ok to spin someone out for the position. I believe you have said so. So whats good for the goose has to be good for the gander or dosen't this apply to local tracks?

I'n not trying to start a fight just bringing up your oppinion at a different level.

[harvey lee]

And the kid wont do it, I said if it was myself I would.I am not saying it is right but that is what happens in todays racing.WHAT i am saying is that it is the way everyone races today so I guess it is ok as everyone does do it.I dont like it but that doesnt matter because it is the norm.I will say that if someone spins you out and you then spin another out,oh well.After some guys are hit enough they are going to do the same thing as I am sure I would also.Show me a racer that never hits back and that will be the exception to the rule.If a driver spins some other driver out and he himself has never been hit then I would say that is wrong.

mnfishingguy-I believe you are not understanding what I said.No you dont take out a guy that never hits anyone else,but if the guy has taken out others or yourself then,Oh well.

Many racers will start racing clean and after being banged around,soon he will be one of the bangers.How could you blame one for that.He is racing the way he is raced.

I beleive we will have to agree to disagree.

[JohnMickish]

I can't agree to disagree with you because I do agree with half of your thoughts. If a guy spun me out I'd spin him back, and if he pulls the slide job on me I might not let him in but I can say from the racing that I have done I never spun a guy out on purpose to gain the position.

Spinning a guy out for the win is dirty racing, you know it and I know it. The fans love it because it makes controversies. Paybacks are a completly separate issue here, we are talking a spin to win.

[LMITOUT]

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Harvey when has Edwards done all this bumping to Dale Jr. though?

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hmmmm...Atlanta comes to mind a while back...and effectively took Jr. out of the Chase. Just a tad more important than those couple dozen points that Cole MAY have gained on Harvick in the Busch championship this weekend.

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Edwards is running for points and was dumped from second because of 8's actions. I think that's why NASCAR didn't take points because he suffered such a huge loss already due to being dumped like that...

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How many times does it have to be said THAT HE'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING A CHANCE AT THE BUSCH CHAMPIONSHIP before this excuse stops coming up for Cole Trickle? He was racing for a win on Saturday, but not a championship. He's too far back as long as Harvick keeps doing what he's doing. Give it up already.

[Sutty]

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There is only one racer today that I think might be above getting someone back and that would be Mark Martin.There is your true racer in my mind.

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I agree with you but I laugh every time I think about the race (Daytona I think) when Martin took a hard left into Johnson before the green flag even waved. I still wonder what the hell that was about. I don't think it was anything mechanical.....

[lawdog]

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How many times does it have to be said THAT HE'S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING A CHANCE AT THE BUSCH CHAMPIONSHIP before this excuse stops coming up for Cole Trickle?

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Dude, get a clue. 2nd in the points pays better than third or 4th or 5th. Clearly Harvick has the title about tied up, but does that mean that the rest of the points paying positions just don't matter or even exist??? You obviously have no comprehension of a points system or how it pays if you think that.

[LMITOUT]

Do you think these "Busch Wackers" really care about 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on? They're going for the championship pure and simple. The Busch series doesn't pay that much....they're going for the big trophy.

If you're not first, you're last!

[lawdog]

Not true. Why are they still making the effort to run every race then when Harvick has the title locked? Every spot matters...

[LMITOUT]

Not true? That's laughable.

They are putting forth the effort for every race to win that particular week and every week! They have sponsorships to honor. What sponsor is going to tell them to just shut it down for the season as you have no chance in winning the championship?? If that were the case, Harvick would win by default because he'd be the only car entered at this point of the season with the lead he has! My goodness. The sponsors aren't going to really benefit if they get 2-5th place in the championship. They are looking for their car in victory lane every weekend......TV time.

At this point in the season they (everyone but Harvick) aren't going so much for points as they are wins.