......and Garza isnt ready yet?

[Willy]

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How do we know he has 4 effective pitches?

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Those were the words straight out of TR's mouth. He was interviewed the other day on Hartman's show and I heard him say those very words about Garza.

[floating minnow]

Sorry Willy,

Those words are right out of my keyboard.I saw in the paper where Terry Ryan said he was only throwing fastballs but nothing about 4 effective pitches. Nice try, but wrong again!

[Willy]

Nope, someone back me up here. He said it right on KFAN yesterday that his pitches are Major league pitches, just that he isn't using them all enough right now.

[floating minnow]

Willy,

I'm not sure what you want people to back you up for.My response was to you stating that I took the words right out of Terry Ryans mouth.I'm sure you read my earlier post where I attributed my comments to Terry Ryan. If my effective pitches comment had come from him I would have said so.

As far as listening to the Chad Hartman show goes,I do not listen to sports talk radio that often because I find it rather boring. I enjoy the game itself,not listening to people who more often then not did'nt play the game.

You made a comment earlier that Garza only threw fastballs because that's all he needed to win in AAA.That's not how it works.Terry Ryan would rather see Garza have a 4-4 record while working on all his pitches than have him go 8-0 and using almost all fastballs. Please enjoy the game for what it is,only a game.

[NAPAFISH]

Sounds like the Minnow is trying to start an arguement

[floating minnow]

Napa,

Please read Willys post where he states I took the words out of Terry Ryans mouth. Is that me trying to start an argument?

[nofishfisherman]

Floating Minnow, do you think it is possible they you guys are talking about 2 different quotes made by the same person? I am fairly certain I have heard the same the Willy did about Garza having 4 pitches that are major league quality but he relies on the fast ball to much.

I did some looking, this is one quote from a coach in AAA about Garza

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"This guy can control the strike zone. He can throw a breaking ball when he's behind in a count. He mixes in his changeups, slider, but when his game is on the line -- when it was his win or loss on the line with runners on out there -- he's able to spot that fastball at 97 miles an hour and put it where he wants it."

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So people think he has 4 pitches that he can use effectively. He just doesn't mix them up which is what we have all been hearing.

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[Willy]

I think you mis-understood me. I was saying that the words out of TR's mouth were that he had 4 pitches. Not saying you said that. Terry said that himself during an interview the other day.

As far as playing baseball, I have played my share and know how it works. That's the reason he isn't up here, because he isn't using those pitches and the Twins would like to see him mix and match a little more even if it means him giving up some hits, runs, or losing a game.

[floating minnow]

Willy,

If I misunderstood you then I have to say I'm sorry.

I still think we will not know if he has any effective pitches until he gets up with the Twins and TR never rushes pitchers in fear of them losing their confidence if things do not go well.Kyle Loshe has some good pitches but he now pitches in fear of what might happen.

[Willy]

No big deal.

I agree that until he uses those pitches in the major leagues, then all it is would be a scout's guess.

We will know for sure when he gets up here. Maybe they shouldn't rush him, but I think if they want to stay in this race then they have no other choice.

[buzzsaw]

I'm off for a day and you guys go nuts on the Twins.. I've heard the guys on the radio quote people from the Twins as saying "Garza HAS four effective pitches" he just doesn't use them all enough, mainly fastballs and that will get him killed up here. There is no doubt in my mind that Garza will be called up soon enough.

[Dahitman44]

Garza is in love with his fastball and uses it to get people out in AAA. He shakes off the catcher a lot and that upsets the brass.

He need to pitch like he is in the show -- that's what they want from him.

[buzzsaw]

The catcher in AAA needs to pull a scene from the movie Major League and tell the batter whats coming and TATER BALL!! Remember that, I think they called him wild thing or maybe it was Bull Durham... I'm forgetful.

[nofishfisherman]

It was Bull Durham.

[Dahitman44]

I am with you, Buzz. That would be the way to wake him up.

[SledNeck]

The post was meant to be about us brining guys like baker and bonser up to pitch, yet saying Garza isnt ready....when we all know full well that Garza could destroy both of these scrubs put together.

And was I the only one that read the nice little write-up about Garza in this weeks (joe mauer cover boy) Sports Illustrated?

[Dahitman44]

He is in Joe Mauer Illustrated. Now I have another reason to pick it up.

[buzzsaw]

He pitched 7 innings in AAA ball tonight giving up:

4 hits

1 walk

0 runs

11 strikeouts

He tossed 100 pitches.... he's coming up!!!

Took this picture today.

one more....

[Mudcutter]

I really don't know that much about Garza--- but if his line is what Buzz said it is--- I'd give him another few starts at AAA, and if the Twins are in a pinch for a 4th or 5th starter and still in the hunt or ahead in the WC,, bring him up. Other wise-- the Twins will be OK with the current 4 man rotation. Those days off are real nice and prevent us from using a 5th starter.

Muddy