Drop them where they stand.

[SCUMFROG]

Witch is better for dropping deer right where they stand, Premier Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded Sabot Slug or the buck hammer slugs.

[Gissert]

Unless you hit a deer in the head or spine, there is no slug or bullet that will be more assured than any other to "drop them in their tracks."

I had a buck run 125 yards with a double lung/aorta shot from a .338/06 last year. I have also had deer fold up like a bad card table from the same bullet placement.

What ever shoots most accurately in you gun is probably the best choice.

[Mark Christianson]

A .22 will drop them on the spot if you hit them right.

Shot placement will drop a deer on the spot. Not a newer and fancier slug/bullet.

[SCUMFROG]

I under stand that. I guess I'm wondering what's got more punch. This is my frist year deer hunting and I want to harvest the deer in the most humanely and fastest way possible.

[irvingdog]

H frame (A.K.A. X frame or Partition bullets) are unusually nasty as far as expansion and penetration combined. Bonded are different but also quite lethal. Ballistic tips are really popular, but I find they don't do much more than create horrific damage at the surface (destroying meat and hide along the way) and not much more.

Bondeds (Fusion, Remington Core-loct's and Winchester Accubond) are cheap, reliable and open at both close and far ranges, and are therefore the round I most often recommend to my customers.

[SCUMFROG]

irvingdog:

I'm new to this so can you tell me what "bonded" and "core lokt" mean?

[Gissert]

Any 12 gauge slug packs a huge punch, more than enough to anchor any deer with a PROPERLY placed shot.The most humane round is the most accuratley placed round when the time comes. A plain old foster slug through the lungs is exponentially better than a fancy one through a ham or the belly.

First and foremost, know your gun and your load. Know what your slug trajectory will be at 50 and 100 yards. Know what your personal range is, and don't shoot beyond that. Use a rest whenever possible. If you dont have a good sight picture when you look down the barrel, don't take the shot.

Trying different brands of ammo is fun and a great way to learn what your gun shoots well. It will also make you a better shot just through practice. Don't get too hung up on a fancy name or design. Often times those high end loads work great, some times they dont. For example, my Savage .338 does not shoot Nosler Partitions well. The Nosler is a great bullet, but not in this particular gun. Through experimentation and time at the range I discoverd this.

Shot placement is everything. If you can put a slug through the lungs, you will get your deer.

[SCUMFROG]

I'm going to try some different sabots this weekend.

My grouping is good from a rest at 50 yards but it's down and to the right. I'm still hitting the outside ring, but I want it as close to center as possible. So I need to adjust my scope just a bit.

[Redwalleye]

My GMC Sierra does a fine job haha biglakebass is right on hit him where he lives and no worries

[icehousebob]

Scumfrog, Some slug sight in tips from someone who found out the hard way. Do not sit at a shooting bench with a slug gun. Your body will be braced and absorbing all the recoil. Stand and rest the gun against something vertical or throw a tarp over a car roof and use sandbags.(the tarp keeps the hot gases from burning the paint,trust me) With you standing up, your body can recoil back and avoid some of the pain. Bring along a .22 rifle and every few slugs, lay the shotgun down and shoot a few .22's. It helps you keep concentrating on sight picture and trigger squeeze rather than recoil. And find out which slug brand groups best in your gun, no matter where the group is from point of aim, and then sight the scope in with that brand and don't change brands. Then practice, and not just at bullseye targets. It gets costy with the high buck slugs, but you'll hate yourself for later missing or worse, wounding one. Good luck. End of lecture.

[SCUMFROG]

Thanks for the tips icehouse. I'll give it a try before I change any thing.

[Ufatz]

Okay. Here's the plan. We worry less about which slug we are going to shoot and we concentrate on putting a slug, any slug, into a five inche circle at a MEASURED forty yards. When you can do that go deer hunting.

Do not start your deer hunting life by blowing off a front shoulder, or gut shooting, or blasting off the jaw, or otherwise cruelly maiming your first deer or you will never forget it.

Learn to SHOOT.....and worry less about what you are shooting.

Okay.Thats all.

[huntnfish]

I agree with icehouse. Don't sit and rest the gun on a bench and sight in. Last year was the first time I hunted with a slug gun and after a couple of boxes of shells when sighting it in it wasn't even worth shooting anymore because of the flinching. Get out as much as you can all year long and shoot the .22. If you do this you get much more comfortable pulling the trigger. Your shooting will become more natural and it will make you a much better shot, no matter what kind of gun you are shooting.

[lunker651]

It don't really matter what ammos you shoot as long as it legal. You should be able to drop them in their track if you hit them in the right place. A couple of years ago I used remington's reduce recoil slugs and drop two deers in their tracks, I was very impress with the slug. Now I use lightfields and it's done nothing but goods. To me it doesn't really matters what kind of ammos I shoot, it's how accurate I shoot the ammos.

[fishin58]

Hey lunker, what about your signature bang bang bang reload>>>jk hey i have picked up some lightfields are they accurate as they say, i am yet to shoot them yet. i have stuck to the federals while sighting in. Thanks

[lunker651]

Yea, I know my signature says bang, bang, bang and that's three bangs so that means three deers. The lightfields are very accurate(2" or less groups at 100yds) on my shotgun but not accurate on every gun, like my brother's gun doesn't shoot well with it. Try it and see if your gun like it.

[Mr Special]

Holy hana .338/06, that's a lot of gun. If I was a deer I'd fold up just at the sight of ya.j/k

But yes some deer are just indestructible. Shot replacement is the key, so accuracy is the most vital killing tool. A few years back I shot a buck at about 20yrds with a 12ga foster type 1oz slug. Hit both lungs and left a hole the size of a baseball. Wasn't hard to track it, but he ran about 1/4 mile. On the other hand I shot a big doe with my .243Win at about 80ydrs and dropped. I also shot a nice doe with my bow 2 season ago, she kinda just flinched a little, took 2 steps and dropped.

Again shot placement and you'll drop them

Good luck this season everyone

[DRH1175]

Any slug on the market will do that if put in the killing zone. Short range you can't beat a slug.

[DRH1175]

if you want the best slug for 2005 it would be the hornady sst slug.

[Mr Special]

Just recently read a article about those Hornady's and the Federal TrueBall rifle slugs.

Have you gotten a chance to try out the Hornady's?

[SCUMFROG]

No not yet. Were can I get some.

[Mr Special]

I haven't tried them either. Was wondering if DRH1175 has tried them yet?

I actually have a smooth bore. So those sabots wouldn't work in my gun.

Back to your or original??? the Remi Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded does produce more down range energy then the Buckhammer.

The Core-Lokt at 50yds is 2682ft-lbs, 2325ft-lbs at 100yds

The Buckhammer at 50yds is 2177ft-lbs, 1600ft-lbs at 100yds

Remi also has a Solid Copper sabot, it produces 1923ft-lbs at 50yds and 1597ft-lbs at 100yds

In theory the more kinetic energy you can transfer into an animal the more damage/shock equals for a more efficient kill. If you're wondering why I know all this. I used to hand load. Kind of a ballistics junkie. Also I'm pretty much the person that sights, test, and get the weapons ready for my family and in-laws. Last 2 weekends I've sighted in 4/30-30, 2/.243win, 2/30-06 and 3 slug guns.

Yep, shoulder is a little sore.

[SCUMFROG]

I did like the grouping I got with the core lokts. I'm not going to be able to go shooting this weekend, I found out last night I have to work. Thanks for the info.

[Kodiak]

no where, i have tried to get the hornadys everywhere and even called hornady, it sounds like they didnt produce hardly any and they are all on back order...that seems pretty dumb since they are the new and hot thing. I will be using the remington core lokt.

[SCUMFROG]

That bites. Who does sell them so I know who I can call.