Greatest Quarterback EVER!!!!

[muskybuck]

Fox sports and Terry Bradshaw proclaim Brett Favre as the greatest quarterback EVER!!!

Finally heres something about football that we can all agree on.

[sunnyj]

Did anyone else think that after the big TO DO about Farve before the game, that he would get the schmidt knocked out of him and end his carrer. I was sure it was going to happen until time ran out and the game was over.

Good luck in the playoffs Packer fans,................you'l need it

[bottomfeeder]

Fridays game is a prime example of the difference between Favre and Culpepper. When the game is on the line, Favre knows how to win. Daunte and the rest of the viking team are still trying to figure that out. After a history of one devestating loss after another, I'm not sure they ever will.

[MJR]

Farves experience helped out quite a bit with the win. But I think moreso that it looked like GB was better coached than the vikes which helped even more. In the 2 min drill it takes the vikes about 28 seconds from the end of one play until they run another one, it looked like the pack could do it in about 10. I have to agree with you bf the vikes do not know how to win.

Looks like the Pack is on their way to thier 35th super bowl victory. Good Luck.

In order for Bret Farve to be the greatest qb ever he is going to have to win 3 more super bowls. It also seems weird that if it so widely accepted that he is the greatest ever why hasn't he been in the pro bowl every year?? It has been a while since he has went hasn't it?

I just want to know were you booing him after he threw the int for the TD?

[bottomfeeder]

Montana played 15 years and was in 8 pro bowls.

[muskybuck]

There is no doubt that Favre throws some stupid interceptions but I thought that one for a touchdown was a really good play by the Viking defensive back. I was amazed that he caught that rocket. Normally they just hear them whiz by their head, so I was not moaning about Favre on that one.

By the way, I think Super Bowls are won by General Managers and Head Coaches, not quarterbacks.

[MJR]

That was a heck of a catch by Claiborne probably the 2nd or 3rd play he has made all season. I doubt Farve was to concearned about throwing ints against the vikes as I think they have about 8 this year. I was pretty sure after that td that gb was going to score then the vikes would get the ball back and score the game winner.

Good point on winning super bowls, I would have to agree, but having a good qb doesn't hurt. How far would the Ravens have gone without Dilfer?

Montana only went to 8? Are you sure or has Farve been to 9?

[Down to Earth]

I'm not going to get too wrapped up into this debate mainly cause I think each era has its great quarterbacks and its hard to distinguish. What measures greatness? Wins? Stats? Super Bowls? Pro Bowls? MVP's? Longevity? Supporting Cast? There are so many other intangibles you have to put into play.

I think one could easily make a very solid argument in that Favre is the greatest of all time, but there are probably a couple other,Montana included, in which you could make a solid case for.

[bottomfeeder]

I've never really said Favre is the best ever, other then in jest. I believe you take the sum of the quarterbacks career, which includes super bowls, mvp's, touchdowns, yards, games played, and the list goes on and on. Farve is right up there in most of 'em.

That said, it's impossilbe I think to say there is one greatest of all time. Rather, there is a 'group' of the elite...Montana, Johnny U, Marino, Elway, Farve. Of course, I would also put Lynn Dickey, Bart Star, and the 'Magic Man' in there as well, but that's just me

[lawdog]

I 'll start this by saying that I respect Favre and think he has done great things.

GREATEST OF ALL TIME??? NO POSSIBLE WAY! I agree its tough to compare too, but really this is just an absurd statement. Elway, Marino and Montana, are all pretty clearly better. Other possibilities include Bradshaw himself, Staubach, Tarkenton, Unitas, etc.

Favre wins, which is something in and of itself, but he doesn't necessarily always win by being a great QB all the time. He's a great leader for sure and his longevity and toughness are impressive, but think what he could be if he played as smartly as Montana did or Manning does today. Or think what he could do with better mechanics instead of so many awkward things that can get sometimes do good but often gets him in trouble. There's been years he had about as many INT's as TD's for heaven's sake...

Good obviously. Great yes I'd go there. Best ever? NO WAY!!!!

[bottomfeeder]

Tarkenton???

Come on.

[fishyguy]

Bottomfeeder,

Sometimes it is hard to read who is kidding and who is serious when you can't read their face or tones in messages like this. If you were speaking in jest about Dickey, Starr and Majik, then all is well and I agree that Tarkenton, although a good quarterback is not in a conversation of the greatest all time. If you were serious, then, put the holiday egg nog away for God's sake, you have had more than enough.

[MJR]

There is no question Farve is in with the elite few, I cannot wait for him to retire to get the credit he deserves.

If you were going to go top ten or so, I think it would be tough to pick an order so in no specific order except some may think they drop off towards the end.

Nameth

Unitas

Elway

Montana

Marino

Farve

Starbach

Tarkenton

Warren Moon

Young (Probably didn't play long enough)

Wade Wilson

Tommy Kramer

Spergeon (nevergonna)Wynn

Don Majikowski

Ryan Leaf

anyone else.....

[Down to Earth]

I think you have Leaf to low.

[eyecrosser2000]

I almost thought about starting a Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge thread but determined it could get ugly. No pick for favorite, just a couple of comments:

1. That game Friday was not Favre beating Culpepper. I'll take Daunte any day over Favre at this point in their careers. This game was about which pathetic defense was on the field when the clock ran out.

2. Tarkenton was an over-achiever given his size and physical ability.

3. If you are talking "total package" how about Peyton Manning. The guy calls his own plays--who was the last QB to do that, Johnny Untitas?

[Eric Wettschreck]

I'm no packer fan, but I'll admit that Favre is good. I'm sure there is a spot at the hall of fame reserved just for him.

No way is he the greatest. There are just too many others out there.

Marino, Staubach, Tarkenton, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Kelly, Moon, Stabler, Cunningham, Namath, Unitas, Starr......and now we have Mcnabb and Manning. Hey, all these guys were and are good.

To say Favre is the greatest is stretching it.

[Down to Earth]

I agree with you on Manning. By the time he is wrapping up his career he will be included in the group.

[lawdog]

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Tarkenton???

Come on.

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Its really sad how little credit Tark gets and guys like you probably don't even have a clue how good he really was because of that. Here are some career stats for the guy:

47,000 yards passing with a 57% career completion rate while making NINE pro-bowls.

At the start of this season: 3rd all time in TD's thrown and 5th all time in attempts, completions and yardage.

One of the best? Surely. THE best, as I said, impossible to say who's the best, but clearly he should be in the mix.

A QB (like say Marino) who doesn't win a Superbowl gets downgraded so unfairly its pathetic. The same guys that say a QB doesn't win a superbowl rip them if they weren't on a team that did.

[bottomfeeder]

'Tark' played for what, 50 years? That many games, I would imagine he would rack up yards, attempts, and completions. Favre passed him in touchdowns with over 4 fewer seasons.

[eyecrosser2000]

Ah, yes oh bottom feeder--but Favre has the advantage of getting a couple of more games each season than Fran had for most of his career (the NFL had a 14 game regular season until 1978).

When you crunch the numbers: Favre has 373 TD's in 204 games for an average of 1.82 TD's per game. Fran has 342 in 196 games for a 1.74 average.

I guess you could say Fran and Favre are pretty close in ability!

[Eric Wettschreck]

Let's not forget that Fran and Favre play(ed) 2 totally different games.

We can throw stats out till we're blue in the face, but the game of the 70's and the game now are apples and oranges. Heck, in Frans day a QB was lucky to survive a game. I'm not saying Favre isn't one of the tougher QB's out there now, but.........He didn't have Butkis (spelling???) trying to literally rip his head off. Todays game is sickening. No more black and blue division. Wussy quarterbacks can't get hit. Don't you dare touch a reciever. Even the game in the trenches, the line, is totally different. Plus, the emphasis was the running game, not the passing game.

I'm not saying Fran was the greatest, but boy howdy, put him in todays game and watch em win big. I said it before and I'll say it again, to say Favre is the greatest is really stretching it.

[Down to Earth]

Boilerguy,

You make some good points on how the game has changed. I'm not old enough to have watched some of the great QB's from the 60's or even 70's, but can't imagine seeing some of those guys playing now. Could you imagine QB's like Unitas, Fran, Nameth, or Fouts just to name a few playing now?

As I said earlier I think it is hard to really determine who is the greatest ever, but I do think one could make a very solid argument for Favre.(Please don't take this as my endorsement to say that Favre is the greatest ever.) I think there are probably enough so called "experts" within the NFL and the media who cover football as their profession that would back that statement up to give it some validity. But you know 10 years from now they will probably be saying someone else is the greatest QB to have ever played the game.

[genegodawa]

I was just wondering if the O-line and the Receivers make the QB better OR does the QB make the O-line and Receivers better?

I think any of those "Greatest" QB's playing behind a line made of swiss cheese would never have had as good numbers although there are definitely guys that are more agile than others. (I hate running QB's for some reason!)

[muskybuck]

I do not think any of the quarterbacks you guys have named come close except for Montana. Certainly not Nameth. I do not think Elway was better than Favre, as good probably. Montana might have been better as he did not throw the stupid interceptions. If Montana had Sherman and Tice and the like for for coaches he would have had no super bowl rings. If Culpepper had Montana's coaches he would have four rings I would bet.

[Eric Wettschreck]

genegodawa, I think it's a whole team thing. Look at some of the better QB's we've seen, and look at the fellas they were throwing the ball to. Bradshaw had Swan, Montana had Rice, Fran the man had Rashad and S. White........Not to mention the running game they had. Franco Harris, Chuck Foreman, the list goes on and on. And to go a step farther, there's no way these running backs are that good without good blocking. There's no way these recievers are this good without the time needed to run a route. There's no way they have time and the QB makes a good toss without good blocking.

It's a total team thing. Like someone said earlier, take out Montana and put Culpepper in his place, same coaching, same team, and Dauntee's got 4 super bowl rings.

A little luck doesn't hurt either.

All that said, I'm stickin to my guns.....Sure, Favre might be in the top ten, we all know he's going to the hall of fame, but to say he's the best ever.......naw. I'm not buying it.