What do they do with all the fish?

[amateurfishing]

You can drive over the speed limit, break into someones home and steal, punch someone in the face, etc as long as you don't get caught as well. Doesn't mean it's OK to do it. Not sure I'd brag about it on the internet though. whistle

Thats not me Lol!! I was referring to agronomist 2 statements where he contradicted himself

[amateurfishing]

My e-mail to the DNR:

Is it legal for one or multiple fishermen to gift fish to a church or other organization for a fund raising dinner?

Then he is SOL!

[B-man715]

In Iowa there is no possession limit on gills, crappies, yellow or white bass. So you can have all you want in the freezer as long as you are not breaking the daily limit regulation. All other species do have a set possession limit....

Sounds like the last 4 or 5 pages of bantering was pretty pointless......

[fishnowworknever]

Geez and here I was under the impression this guy was driving across the border, loading up on fish, driving back across and throwing them in the church's deep freezer.

I'll be the first to apologize for blasting you, Agronomist_at_IA.

[amateurfishing]

If he does it in IA,its all good......but if crossing the MN border, well......

He gets benefit of doubt for now....

[CaptJohnWis]

Also a fish brought in from 40+ feet are not 100% guaranteed to die. You really think a walleye that has been sitting in 45 fow most of the day takes 24 hours to come up to feed in 15-20' in the evening? I'm not advocating fishing deep water walleyes but, get real man.

One atmosphere in water is between 33.8' and 33.9' so throwing out 40' is just hearsay.

I'm off some. Looks like only 35% die. So the guys hooking them from forty feet only kill 35 of every hundred.

Click link to review study:

Deep water walleye study.

I helped with this study I can assure you every fish we caught from 40 feet died. They couldn't swim back down due to air bladder swelling up. Birds had a good feed. These were smaller fish and the DNR quit collecting the small ones after they got quite a few. If they had kept every fish, I think the ratio would have been much higher. The big ones seem to handle it better.

InFisherman has published other studies. Just because the fish swims away doesn't mean it survives. Just takes a few days before they die.

[Kyhl]

Sounds like the last 4 or 5 pages of bantering was pretty pointless......

[minnesotathorn]

agronomist loves to hear himself talk. look back at some of his other posts. last winter he spent days telling us how safe it is to refill 1# propane bottles. and under his handle he lists every piece of ice equipment he uses. very funny.

[B-man715]

You guys are right....... He is down right guilty....... Lets skip the judge and jury and just hang him right here on HSO.

And don't forget to keep ridiculing him about unrelated things like his gear list......

I always thought internet bullying was done by pubescent and insecure middle schoolers....... not fully grown adults......... I learn something new everyday

Quit making assumptions of your own on where this fish came from, how many, and what species. Unless he says flat out that he broke the law (ex. X amount of walleyes from Minnesota).........your assumptions are just as worthless as the time it took to type them.

[Kyhl]

If a "sportsman" is arguing poor sportsmanship on a sportsman forum, I think it is our duty to discuss.

You can call that whatever you want.

That said, I agree, keep it on topic and don't drag in history.

Edit, Capt, that was not directed at you, that is a forum reply quirk

[Pat K]

The Iowa DNR response:

Webmaster [DNR]

To Me

Today at 12:49 PM

Dear Pat,

Thank you for using the Iowa DNR HSOforum. 481A.50 states that a person can provide game or fish to a non profit organization to be used as part of a paid meal. The non profit organization would need to document all sources of fish as they would exceed the possession limits as outlined in the Iowa Code.

Please let me know if you have further questions or concerns.

So legal in Iowa not legal in MN.

[fishnowworknever]

You guys are right....... He is down right guilty....... Lets skip the judge and jury and just hang him right here on HSO.

And don't forget to keep ridiculing him about unrelated things like his gear list......

I always thought internet bullying was done by pubescent and insecure middle schoolers....... not fully grown adults......... I learn something new everyday ]

Quit making assumptions of your own on where this fish came from, how many, and what species. Unless he says flat out that he broke the law (ex. X amount of walleyes from Minnesota).........your assumptions are just as worthless as the time it took to type them.

Annnd you're from Wisconsin so you must be guilty of some illegal activity here in Minnesota. Take a seat, you're up next.

[B-man715]

Annnd you're from Wisconsin so you must be guilty of some illegal activity here in Minnesota. Take a seat, you're up next.

Nobody's perfect

Funny you mention that. I fished in Wisconsin for a couple weekends in a row this spring, then headed over to Forest Lake on a Sunday afternoon. I started trolling off the side of some humps with two rods After about 10 minutes I passed by another fisherman and he gave me a funny look.....it quickly sunk in that I was one line over

As innocent of a mistake it was, had I been caught I would have admitted to breaking the law..... even though I had zero intentions of doing so.

[nolte]

I find this topic very interesting. Mainly because of the way limits, possession limits, transportation and regulations work. A guy darn near needs a lawyer on speed dial to make sure he is compliant. In WI on water body A you can have 2 eyes, but it changes to 3 after such a date, but water body B you can have 1 over a certain size, 1 under. Then on this body you can have 5 over this size, but this one is 6 with a different size. If a guy bounces around to different bodies of water it can get tricky to keep track of. If one only fishes one particular lake it is usually easy to follow.

I also get a kick how the "holier than thou" crowd will blast one guy who fishes a handful of times but might be over possession in his freezer but is perfectly fine with say a retired guy who fishes every day and keeps his limit but gives them away each day to his neighbors so he can go again. In reality who is taking more from the resource. It's not illegal or even wrong, but it just strikes me as funny. Sometimes the "right" thing to do isn't legal and the "wrong" thing do is by the letter of the law.

If anyone has been to Alaska, you soon realize the difference in opinions on having/using fish and game for a main staple in your diet. There is a daily bag limit but once it is frozen/smoked/canned, it is not counted as possession. Granted some species are very closely guarded and an annual limit is put in place. Sometimes I wish that WI or MN had a similar stance on possession limits. It would sure simplify having to keep track what is in a guy's freezer. I'm 100 percent in agreement to nail the guys who are abusing our resources and being game hogs but I really could care less if a guy has a lost bag of fillets that got hidden behind the pan of frozen lasagna.

[CANOPY SAM]

Whoa whoa whoa!!!! Who here freezes their lasagna? Now you REALLY got my hackles up!

[Agronomist_at_IA]

agronomist loves to hear himself talk. look back at some of his other posts. last winter he spent days telling us how safe it is to refill 1# propane bottles. and under his handle he lists every piece of ice equipment he uses. very funny.

Wow, still bothers you that a person refills One # bottles? I guess I must be the only one that has bought a mass retailed adaptor from Mr. Heater & used it. Yes I do list my gear under my handle that I currently use. It's something that all the members on a golf forum that i go on once in awhile started to do years ago. They started to put the gear that they use in the handle/signature area. This way people can see what a guy is using and PM him with questions on the gear or get the users opinion on gear that he is trying out or using.

Reason for this is that some guys on the golf forum have become total @$$hats over simple things.............like someone buying a $500-$1000 driver or set of clubs and someone states an honest opinion only to be berated and criticized over the review because its difference of opinion with other users. (OEM & custom stuff)

FYI, i have been PM'd by people asking about gear in my signature. It's actually nice that way, because i can give and honest opinion without getting jumped all over. So while it may be funny to you, it does save me some grief by not having to deal with the drama on the open forum of posting an opinion.

While you might not care if information like that gets exchanged, thats one of the reasons i go on the forum. That and not having water time to fulfill my fishing desires.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

The Iowa DNR response:

Webmaster [DNR]

To Me

Today at 12:49 PM

Dear Pat,

Thank you for using the Iowa DNR HSOforum. 481A.50 states that a person can provide game or fish to a non profit organization to be used as part of a paid meal. The non profit organization would need to document all sources of fish as they would exceed the possession limits as outlined in the Iowa Code.

Please let me know if you have further questions or concerns.

So legal in Iowa not legal in MN.

Thank you for posting this, I've been on vacation a few day's, and see things were getting pretty passionate reading up to this. Looks like between the states we not only have a difference of opinion, but difference in law. Looks like both sides were right and wrong in there own rights/state.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

Geez and here I was under the impression this guy was driving across the border, loading up on fish, driving back across and throwing them in the church's deep freezer.

I'll be the first to apologize for blasting you, Agronomist_at_IA.

Thanks. for the apology.

I do fish in MN a few times a year. 3 times to be exact last year, besides a three day trip to upper red. Only time we limited on any fish was at upper red on walleye. You shouldn't have to worry, while i enjoy and want to be a good/great fisherman I'd say I'm average to less then average. If you ask me on the times I get skunked I'd say the worst (fisherman)which happens a few times a year in Iowa, but Iowa fishing and MN fishing seem to be two entirely different games. At least for me.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

You really don't get it, you say that you drop the "extra" fish off "at a guys place". What extra fish? Extra fish from your possession limit or fish you have over your possession limit? Do you understand when you have a limit full of a certain species you cannot keep fishing for that species let alone KEEP any number of that species. MN laws apply even if you're from Iowa.

If this "guy" you drop fish off with doesn't have a commercial license, he's not allowed to keep more fish than HIS daily possession limit. Do you also fill out the proper labels when gifting these fish? I'm betting not. This means those fish are still in YOUR possession, and you're breaking the law.

I'm really surprised someone hasn't called TIP on you.

I'll try to help clear this up for you. If I have a full possession limit of fish in my freezer. I will eat or gift/donate/give (whatever you want to call it) to friend, family, or an organization. I don't go over my possession limit. Those i gift all have a fishing license. Once they are out of my possession I will go fishing for that species. When doing this, i'm only figuring myself has the keeper of a possession limit in my house. I mainly do it this way because we rarely eat fish, and i want them fresh if we do eat fish. I maybe should or could figure possession limit for myself, wife, and three boys which i have paid for a full family licensee in IA,SD, & MN. Never bothered to check on possession limit for the family because using a simple one person limit has worked and been well within my needs.

The reason I haven't had TIP called is because I have followed the laws.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

Whoa whoa whoa!!!! Who here freezes their lasagna? Now you REALLY got my hackles up!

i hate to think about it, but the beef, pork, and chicken have been drained down next to nothing in my freezer. the wife just put a bunch of these crock pot "meals" together in ziplock bags and froze them. I think lasagna was in the mix.

[Comit 2]

I just don't know what is going on at this site now. I used to come here to learn fishing. It now seams like it is more how to get around laws and rules of good fishing.

First off I don't care who you want to give fish to, The Church, Old people or the homeless. I don't care! If you are breaking the law, you are breaking the the LAW. You are a criminal. It is unjustifiable.

Quote:

all i want is a FISH FRY!

Have them bring there own fish! Have it at the landing so you can go fishing and eat what you and all of your fishing buddies have caught (within limits).

Some of you need to take the next step in fishing. Once you get so good you need to learn conservation. Until then you are just a rookie or maybe a stooge. When you learn fishing you take on responsibility #$@%$#. I'm just banging my head against a tree/wall here, aren't I. You can't fix stupid!

If you want to help someone. Teach them how to fish (the right way). I think I read somewhere that it's the good thing to do. Something like "give a man a fish and you feed him for a day".

As I said at the beginning of this post "I just don't know what is going on at this site now". To barrow a phrase from the Eagles " Justify our endless needs"? Because when I read this it sure read like a lot of you were looking for justification to "bend" the law.

This may be the last post I make here so I will try to make it clear.

Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit, Exploit. Make sure you get your share even at the cost of others! So You can take more then you need a give it away, wow what a Hee-Man!

[amateurfishing]

What the heck does my my mantra have to do with any of this......its just a slogan!! Ohhh my.....geez.....

[nolte]

First off I don't care who you want to give fish to, The Church, Old people or the homeless. I don't care! If you are breaking the law, you are breaking the the LAW. You are a criminal. It is unjustifiable.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

I just don't know what is going on at this site now. I used to come here to learn fishing. It now seams like it is more how to get around laws and rules of good fishing.

First off I don't care who you want to give fish to, The Church, Old people or the homeless. I don't care! If you are breaking the law, you are breaking the the LAW. You are a criminal. It is unjustifiable!

[OnAFly]

I disagree. I believe it's been shown on here (somewhere in between all the pointless bickering) that through legal practices one can still remove large amounts of fish from a lake.

The DNR assumes a certain fisherman success rate and an average consumption rate when putting limits into effect. If one uses gifting to give them the ability to effectively increase that consumption rate and are more successful than the average fisherman, then they are circumventing the intent of the law.

You can follow the law and be an unethical sportsman. The two are not mutually exclusive.