Spielman should be fired

[DrJuice1980]

And Johnny Football is ready to plug right in and produce. He doesnt need to be "coached up" his game transfers right into the pros....Yeah right! Oh so easy LMIT

[LMITOUT]

Better work on your bullet evading skills there Neo. You're about as successful at changing the subject to avoid losing the argument as Spielman is drafting QB's: Not very.

[DrJuice1980]

Better work on your bullet evading skills there Neo. You're about as successful at changing the subject to avoid losing the argument as Spielman is drafting QB's: Not very.

[BuckSutherland]

Go home Buck you're drunk!

I would just like someone to explain to me what type of scheme we are going to run. It would seem to me that we paid Robison, Floyd, Joesph, and now Griffen. I am assuming we are gonna run a 4-3. Yet our first move is to make a reach and grab a 3-4 DE. It doesnt seem wise to me to take a project and move him out of his natural spot that early in the first round.

And someone commented on Barr and how fast he is. I could say the same thing about how WEAK he is since he could only do 17 reps. I dont mind the pick, just hated it at 9. They should have been able to find a willing partner somewhere before 20 to go back. That falls on the GM.

As for Teddy, I dont like him at all. He lacks serious velocity and he is inaccurate downfield. Why not stay put and take Mettenberger, Murray or McCarron later on.

Here are some names for ya. Joe Webb, T-jack, Dante Culdunger, Randal Cunningham, Warren Moon. Ya know what they all have in common??

You can figure it out on your own I'm sure. Add Teddy to the list.

I would much rather have lost with JM than TB.

Oh, and I almost forgot. The other thing I hate about TB is he sucks in a 2 min drill. He should fit right in to what MN fans are used to.

[PurpleFloyd]

I am not sure about the Barr pick myself. I dont have a problem with taking him if they hadnt already signed robison and griffen to their contracts. I dont see him being a 4-3 olb and we have Greenway there anyway. There were quality DBs that would have made our roster more complete imo.

As far as that QB,if he reaches his maximum potential he is still the 4th best in the NFCN.

[kfk]

Buck,

Instead of being a corn farmer, you should have been a professional football general manager. You know it all.

[DrJuice1980]

Buck, I'm trying to think what they all have in common and I can think of a few things but what are you eluding to? Did you not list McNabb for some reason?

[FISHINGURU]

Mcnabb? Oh you mean McNubb lol.

I would just like someone to explain to me what type of scheme we are going to run. It would seem to me that we paid Robison, Floyd, Joesph, and now Griffen. I am assuming we are gonna run a 4-3. Yet our first move is to make a reach and grab a 3-4 DE. It doesnt seem wise to me to take a project and move him out of his natural spot that early in the first round.

And someone commented on Barr and how fast he is. I could say the same thing about how WEAK he is since he could only do 17 reps.

Barr, who was converted from fullback to linebacker just two years ago, projects as the starting strong-side linebacker and special weapon for head coach Mike Zimmer, the defensive mastermind who is transforming Leslie Frazier's reactionary Cover 2-based scheme into an aggressive pressure defense.

"He's like a fawn learning all these things," said Zimmer, referring to the fact Barr has played only two years of linebacker after switching from running back. "I've never had a linebacker that has the size and the speed and all the things this guy has."

That's saying something considering Zimmer consistently coached top-10 defenses in 14 seasons as an NFL defensive coordinator in Dallas, Atlanta and Cincinnati.

Spielman compared Barr to former Dolphin defensive end Jason Taylor, a potential future Hall of Famer. Director of College Scouting Scott Studwell compared him to former Vikings defensive end Chris Doleman, a Hall of Famer. And Zimmer compared Barr's role in the Vikings' defense to how Denver uses Von Miller, the 2011 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year.

"The strong-side linebacker is a pressure position in our defense," Zimmer said. "But he also can cover."

Barr satisfied the Vikings on game film. And he absolutely blew them away during his pro day, running a 4.47 and posting a better three-cone agility time than any of the cornerbacks at the Scouting Combine, according to Spielman.

"He can rush the passer, but with his speed, we won't have any trouble covering down the seam either," Spielman said. "He can turn his hips and move. And at his size, it makes it harder for the quarterback to fit the ball down the seam."

[Joe_Schmoe]

I gotta hand it to ya, at Least you are not afraid to wear your racism on your sleeve. Its good to be open about your true feelings, now we know how to judge your credibility on all of your other opinions.

I think this subject is done.

And Moon is one of the greatest QB's that ever played. Anybody who played Pro football has always said the same. A Hall of Famer to boot.

I also remember watching Cunningham play when I was growing up, not to mention 1998. It was an awesome display.

now.... GO WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BuckSutherland]

Buck, I'm trying to think what they all have in common and I can think of a few things but what are you eluding to? Did you not list McNabb for some reason?

Yep, forgot about him.

[BuckSutherland]

I gotta hand it to ya, at Least you are not afraid to wear your racism on your sleeve. Its good to be open about your true feelings, now we know how to judge your credibility on all of your other opinions.

I think this subject is done.

And Moon is one of the greatest QB's that ever played. Anybody who played Pro football has always said the same. A Hall of Famer to boot.

I also remember watching Cunningham play when I was growing up, not to mention 1998. It was an awesome display.

now.... GO WILD!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why you say anything about race?? I am reffering to the ability to win big games. Those guys just so happen to make up a big junk of QB play in MN the last 20 years. I dont remember a single one of them EVER winning big games. At least Farve and Brad Johnson actually won big games in their careers. Too bad they werent with us.

Being a "great" QB is reserved for those that actually won a championship along with the stats. Good QBs accumulate stats and meaningless wins.

[DrJuice1980]

I kinda like you Buck, you make me chuckle at times. I can't stand behind you here. Brad Johnson was not a great QB. He wasn't even good. He made games soooo boring. His average stat line looked like this: 12/18, 165yrds, 1/1. I bet Teddy puts up similar numbers.

Why didn't you add Gus Ferrotte or Jeff George to that list?

[Hester]

I think we all know why he didn't add them to the list.

[BuckSutherland]

Another DE. At some point we better address the fact that we dont have a very good interior offensive line or a backup RB.

[thatoneguy]

Right. Because it's more important to replace Toby Gerhart than Jared Allen. Good call.

[PurpleFloyd]

Right. Because it's more important to replace Toby Gerhart than Jared Allen. Good call.

I thought that is why they signed Griffen.

[zepman]

Zimmer is going to get after these NFC Central QB's from

here on out!! Love it...It's been a LONG time since we've seen an attack style defense!

PurpleF....who replaced Griffen then??

We now know...Chrichton!!

[BuckSutherland]

Right. Because it's more important to replace Toby Gerhart than Jared Allen. Good call.

Boy your a real bright one arent you. We already replaced Allen with Griffen, then we add Barr to play some type of hybrid edge rusher as well. Meanwhile if Peterson goes down we have Matt Asiata and some practice squad guys to carry the load.

4 DE and 1 RB behind a terrible interior line. Be a miracle if Peterson can play the whole season without getting hurt.

[DrJuice1980]

I'm back with you Buck. We desperately need an OG and RB. One of those has to be off the board next.

[BuckSutherland]

I'm back with you Buck. We desperately need an OG and RB. One of those has to be off the board next.

I will take the guard now. At least we can protect what we have. We invested heavily in Peterson. At least we should give him a chance to make the first guy miss. Pretty sure Vlad Duccasse isnt gonna do that. Go with Yankey from Stanford.

[PurpleFloyd]

PurpleF....who replaced Griffen then??

On the bench?

[zepman]

Rotational...Zimmer likes to roll his D-Front to keep them fresh.

Chrichton is a beast and will be a great pick.

[PurpleFloyd]

Rotational...Zimmer likes to roll his D-Front to keep them fresh.

Chrichton is a beast and will be a great pick.

All fine and dandy but the secondary has so many holes it seems at this oint that many DE's is overkill.

[Nick Kuhn]

Code:

 Not a terrible pick IMO 

It is at #8.

You don't draft "raw" players or guys that "you can coach-up" at #9. SMH.

The only thing that is consistently true for GMs in the NFL draft is they incredibly over-inflate the value of early picks in the draft (see below). On a statistical basis, where you pick in the first round isn't tremendously important as long as you get the player you want. The biggest mistake you can make is trading away high picks (ala the Bills this year and the Redskins to get RG3) to move up a few places. How are the Patriots so consistently good despite almost always trading down? Well they figured this out before other teams did.

[FISHINGURU]

All fine and dandy but the secondary has so many holes it seems at this oint that many DE's is overkill.

Not really, your secondary doesn't need to be the greatest "IF" you can get constant pressure on the QB. The greatest CB's in the game will get burned if the QB has plenty of time.

This defense is going to be bringing the heat all the time, not once a game like the defense we have become accustomed to. Our lame Tampa 2 left everyone in coverage on an island because we only pressured with the front 4 and dropped everyone else into zones.

It's plenty obvious our plan is to get after these NFC North QB's.