COSMOS

[smalliehunter]

I've been watching. Its a very interesting show. If you don't want to believe what the show is telling you, don't watch it. please stop complaining on the internet.

[eyeguy 54]

LOL, ya, like that's gonna happen.

[corncob]

Never ceases to amaze me the narrow minded beliefs that some insist on perpetuating when so much information is available at their fingertips.....Just a small amount of research on DNA alone would likely cause a near mental breakdown or at least nausea and fits to those that don't believe in all this scientific data......Ignorance is such a terrible thing to waste!

[candiru]

Finally was able to sit down and watch an episode on DVR, good stuff. I vaguely remember the original series and this brings back the wonder and fascination that I remember.

[DrJill]

Saw it all tonight ....

Without a doubt, one of the best TV shows I've ever seen.

EVER.

Was this the 3rd ? How many left ?

[DrJill]

The show ended on the possibility that every black hole in this universe is a big bang for another.

Which ties in to one of the most interesting hypothesis out there.

Cosmological Evolution.

Its a very interesting attempt to answer why we see a certain set of natural constants/values rather than another.

In short shorthand ...

Every black hole produces a new universe

Every new universe has slightly different natural constants. (mutations)

The selection process rewards those that produce more black holes.

Its an accident the same values can lead to us and what we see,

[DrJill]

Consider the following ... test your math

You are walking at a constant speed down an expanding hallway.

Every meter of the hallway grows by 10% per meter per sec.

You travel at 1 meter per sec.

If the hallway is 5 meters long, you will arrive in 7 secs.

Your point of departure will be almost 10 m away. A 2 fold increase.

If the hallway is 6 meters long, you will arrive in 9 secs.

Your point of departure will be almost 15 m away. A 2.5 fold increase.

If the hallway is 11 meters long, you will NEVER arrive.

In the same way, knowing how long light has travelled to reach us,

doesn't really bring home how far away it was when first emited,

or how far away that coordinate is now.

So ....

In the case of the galaxy mentioned tonight whose light has taken 13.3 billion light years to reach us we believe

It was just 40 Million (not billion) LYA when the light was emitted

That coordinate is 45 billion LYA today.

The universe has expanded over 1000 fold since the light was emitted !!

Any photon begining its journey today, from a distance of around 7 billion LYA,

will NEVER reach us.

The first time I understood this I was stunned.

The observable universe is about 47 billion LY in every direction

but

It will fade from view eventually, never to be "heard" from again.

[DrJuice1980]

Great imagination, how about some facts other than simple mathematics. Cosmic evolution, sounds like fantasy land to me. You're telling me you believe that a black hole is the end of life yet the beginning of life with each having a "Big Bang" yet the notion of a heaven is childish. I think we've found the real kool aid drinkers...

If that's the best hour of programming (attempting to pass ideas as fact) you've seen you're a very persuadable person, gullible.

[cbrooks]

Black holes are mysterious. Neil Tyson in the program said its speculation that black holes could be holes to other universes. he never said that scientist believe that but theorize. With the theory of relativity, space time can be warped with gravity. The higher the gravity the more space time can be warped. However, since we have never been able to observe any thing with that much gravity its all speculation. The point is there is so much more in the universe we don't understand and yet to be discovered...that was what neil was insinuating. black holes do exist but what happens beyond the event horizon is unknown

[DrJill]

You're telling me you believe that .... the notion of a heaven is childish. I think we've found the real kool aid drinkers...

If that's the best hour of programming (attempting to pass ideas as fact) you've seen you're a very persuadable person, gullible.

YAWN

I believe this is the first mention of heaven in the thread.

I certainly haven't mentioned it. In any thread. Ever.

Proof of alternative realties ? Other universes ?

He must have seen it somewhere.

Or is there a simpler explaination ?

We'll be talking about science here DrJuice.

Your not required to attend.

[DrJuice1980]

So DrJill, science to you is not reality, rather the fascination with imagination. Astrology is a complete joke, very rarely is something ever proven factual.

"We know more about space than the depths of the Oceans"

No, people (Speculative scientists) make assumptions about space and lobby to pass them off as factual while biologists continue to search for facts.

DrJill, Take your pompous attitude somewhere else. Lame.

[bobbymalone]

DrJuice is an expert on a variety matters he obviously doesn't understand.

[DrJuice1980]

Bobby, does hitting the enter button multiple times so your post takes up more space somehow make you feel more important? Or better yet, when you come on and have zero input other than a vague remark or trolling comment, does that make you feel superior?

Im trying to understand if you have a comment based on the topic or are just too stupid to come up with one, hence the above post from you. Im leaning to the second answer because, what dont I understand? The fact that Astronomy (maybe you didnt catch the "Astrology" joke reference) is based largely on ideas not facts. Yet you, Bobby, are so largely against believing in a religion which is based on the same thing, ideas not necessarily facts.

Please go back and ponder if the Matrix is a real thing.

[bobbymalone]

your version of "ideas" seems to be any collections of facts you don't understand. If it don't sound believable to you, then it ain't believable and you've got bridges to sell. Anybody that says otherwise is lame, stupid, pompous, tooting their own horn, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Statements like this

The fact that Astronomy is based largely on ideas not facts.

are patently false. Where do you even come up with this stuff? Were you home schooled or something?

[corncob]

He was born in a log cabin which he helped his father build!.....

[cbrooks]

Astronomy is a lot of observation just beyond earths atmosphere. If someone wants to attack science on ideas, astronomy isn't a good place to start. Maybe Dr Juice meant Cosmology but even that has observation from different instruments(cosmic background radiation for example)but deals with alot of math at the same time. Cosmology is the study evolution of the universe. Cosmology is the field that made the current break through with inflation theory. You got a problem with what science says about the origin of the universe...here's your the field you want to criticize but good luck with that

[bobbymalone]

Maybe Dr Juice meant Cosmology

Well he first said astrology, which was totes a joke, you guys

[DrJuice1980]

[jwhjr]

when you come on and have zero input other than a vague remark or trolling comment, does that make you feel superior?

Pot calling kettle, come in kettle...

[Slabasaurus]

Maybe Dr Juice meant Cosmology but even that has observation from different instruments(cosmic background radiation for example)but deals with alot of math at the same time.

I think a lot of the skepticism comes from a lack of understanding the concept of mathematical proofs. Couple that with not understanding what peer reviewed studies are/mean... recipe for disaster. It opens the door to statements equating scientific principles to belief in religious figures.

[cbrooks]

I think a lot of the skepticism comes from a lack of understanding the concept of mathematical proofs. Couple that with not understanding what peer reviewed studies are/mean... recipe for disaster. It opens the door to statements equating scientific principles to belief in religious figures.

Tyson says it best about deniers

"science is not there for you to cherry pick…You can decide whether or not to believe in it but that doesn’t change the reality of an emergent scientific truth."

-Neil Degrasse Tyson-